[UK] Information about the think tank Doteveryone

Andres Muniz Piniella a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es
Sat Nov 18 10:50:48 UTC 2017

Agreed with this (my thoughts exactly), I will check in from time to
time to make sure faif is mentioned. 
In the mean time we can monitor here: https://medium.com/doteveryone/re
Andres (he/him/his)
On Fri, 2017-11-17 at 11:16 -0200, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> Just for informational purposes: I thank Mx. Piniella and also those
> from Doteveryone who replied.
> However, I do hope that either:
> - the suggestions and notes presented are implemented or discussed
>   explicitly;
> - they discuss the importance of free/libre software
> philosophy/movement
>   explicitly during the related programs/tracks;
> - they put the related free/libre software philosophy/movement and
> its
>   projects as important/necessary/rquired part of the process;
> - they foster people getting in touch with the related free/libre
>   software activists and non-profit and charity organizations.
> These points are important because, at least in the groups I observed
> from afar/far here in Brazil, I noticed that even though a free/libre
> software activist takes days of his life to write ellaborated reply
> or
> suggestions to this regard, little is done from the affected
> organizations in regards to discussing the issues explicitly. Most of
> the times, in the organizations here in Brazil we have only some
> basic
> mention of "accessibility", "privacy", "security", "development", but
> almost no explicit mention and discussion on the free/libre software
> philosophy and its movement, its principles, and relations with
> sustainability (which goes beyond the environmental pillar),
> democracy,
> politics, federation, economics (which deals with the effects of
> resource scarcity, limits, overuse or underuse; not to be confused
> with
> finance and chrematistics), capability-based approach/theory of
> political philosophy, the conflict between competition (and
> "competitive
> advantage") and collaboration, ethics (and moral dilemmas), and how
> non-exclusive and non-rival naturally-public goods with zero
> transaction
> costs and which can have positive externalities behave different than
> other goods.
> Finally, during the discussions, care must be taken so that
> free/libre
> software isn't framed as "required to be gratis". While in some cases
> one can acquire a copy of free/libre software or free/libre system
> distribution by paying nothing for it, there are costs associated
> with
> maintainance, training costs, development, customization for specific
> needs, adapting previous customizations after getting updates
> (because
> someone has to keep the pieces, or do even better by contributing
> them
> to the original project). All these costs also exist in the case of
> non-free software, but they are felt and paid for in other ways
> (which
> the public wouldn't agree with if told exclicitly beforehand). By
> making
> these needs and costs explicit, it's possible to open oors for
> fostering
> the local/municipal, regional, national/federal, and international
> economies.
> Respectfully, Adonay.
> Andres Muniz Piniella <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es> writes:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2017-11-09 at 18:22 -0200, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> > 
> >  Anyways, while that message doesn't come, here is the message I
> > would
> >  send to the organizations involved.
> > 
> >  --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> >  This message can be passed on to the organization involved.
> > 
> > Andonay: Your feedback has been forwarded on and Laura James,
> > technology
> > principal at Doteveryone. Has said:
> > 
> > "thanks for the feedback! (...)Also useful to have feedback on the
> > Trustworthy tech partners handbook and the thinking therein - this
> > is the
> > first serious feedback we’ve had on that :slightly_smiling_face:
> > will think
> > about this as we work through the program and refine our ideas"
> > 
> > So thank you! If anybody else wants to review any more documents I
> > can send
> > the odt of the google doc and pdf document (I have asked for a link
> > on that
> > one). 
> > 
> > A related coop that is out is: https://diglife.com if worth
> > discussing I can
> > create a separate thread for this. 
Andres (he/him/his)

HUG Director

RML Founding Member 
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