[UK] Information about the think tank Doteveryone

Adonay Felipe Nogueira adfeno at hyperbola.info
Fri Nov 17 13:16:24 UTC 2017

Just for informational purposes: I thank Mx. Piniella and also those
from Doteveryone who replied.

However, I do hope that either:

- the suggestions and notes presented are implemented or discussed

- they discuss the importance of free/libre software philosophy/movement
  explicitly during the related programs/tracks;

- they put the related free/libre software philosophy/movement and its
  projects as important/necessary/rquired part of the process;

- they foster people getting in touch with the related free/libre
  software activists and non-profit and charity organizations.

These points are important because, at least in the groups I observed
from afar/far here in Brazil, I noticed that even though a free/libre
software activist takes days of his life to write ellaborated reply or
suggestions to this regard, little is done from the affected
organizations in regards to discussing the issues explicitly. Most of
the times, in the organizations here in Brazil we have only some basic
mention of "accessibility", "privacy", "security", "development", but
almost no explicit mention and discussion on the free/libre software
philosophy and its movement, its principles, and relations with
sustainability (which goes beyond the environmental pillar), democracy,
politics, federation, economics (which deals with the effects of
resource scarcity, limits, overuse or underuse; not to be confused with
finance and chrematistics), capability-based approach/theory of
political philosophy, the conflict between competition (and "competitive
advantage") and collaboration, ethics (and moral dilemmas), and how
non-exclusive and non-rival naturally-public goods with zero transaction
costs and which can have positive externalities behave different than
other goods.

Finally, during the discussions, care must be taken so that free/libre
software isn't framed as "required to be gratis". While in some cases
one can acquire a copy of free/libre software or free/libre system
distribution by paying nothing for it, there are costs associated with
maintainance, training costs, development, customization for specific
needs, adapting previous customizations after getting updates (because
someone has to keep the pieces, or do even better by contributing them
to the original project). All these costs also exist in the case of
non-free software, but they are felt and paid for in other ways (which
the public wouldn't agree with if told exclicitly beforehand). By making
these needs and costs explicit, it's possible to open oors for fostering
the local/municipal, regional, national/federal, and international

Respectfully, Adonay.

Andres Muniz Piniella <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es> writes:

> On Thu, 2017-11-09 at 18:22 -0200, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
>  Anyways, while that message doesn't come, here is the message I would
>  send to the organizations involved.
>  --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>  This message can be passed on to the organization involved.
> Andonay: Your feedback has been forwarded on and Laura James, technology
> principal at Doteveryone. Has said:
> "thanks for the feedback! (...)Also useful to have feedback on the
> Trustworthy tech partners handbook and the thinking therein - this is the
> first serious feedback we’ve had on that :slightly_smiling_face: will think
> about this as we work through the program and refine our ideas"
> So thank you! If anybody else wants to review any more documents I can send
> the odt of the google doc and pdf document (I have asked for a link on that
> one). 
> A related coop that is out is: https://diglife.com if worth discussing I can
> create a separate thread for this. 

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