GNU Hurd

Jeroen Dekkers jeroen at
Sun Mar 17 14:00:54 UTC 2002

On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:54:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >From: MJ Ray <markj at>
> >Anyway, as I think we're all aware, Jörg's views on GNU tools have consumed
> >many characters without making any development of his views because everyone
> >who programs anything on a GNU system is clearly insane because there are
> >better non-free tools that we "should" be using, in his opinion.
> Again you are reversing things.....

No, he's totally right.
> Domn't talk about free software, work on it!

I do both. This is the *Free Software* Foundation Europe
mailinglist. The topic is free sofware here. If you don't want to talk
about free software, go somewhere else.

> But don't tell me that I should enhance other peoples programs and stop
> to work on my prorgrams as you do.

You are complaining about other peoples programs. If you want to see
something done, you should do it yourself or stop complaining that it
isn't done.

> Please tell me why you tell people to fix bugs from other peoples software?
> This is a nice way to slow down development because time is wasted with 
> understanding other peopls code and 

Why do you tell that maintainers should develop features/fix bugs in
their software which they don't care about? It only slowdowns the
things they are interested in.

> in addition GNU coding standards result
> in badly readable sources.

ROFL. Do you already know why people ask you to port a program instead
of giving you a patch? Hint: Your source isn't readable for other
people besides you. Yes, you can read, because you're author, but for
other people it's hard. 

GNU people can read each other's code, because they use the same
coding style. They can fix the programs, because they understand it.

> Again: I am working on _my_ ideas and on _my_ programs. If I have problems
> with other programs, I send bug reports. If the bugs are not fixed than it
> may be that I stop believing that those programs evolve to decent tools.

Other people are working on their ideas and their programs. They do
what is for them the highest priority. Your bugreport might not be
that, but bugreports with patches attached makes it easier for the
maintainers to fix the bug.

> I use the best tools for a purpose that are freely available.

Free beer available. Not freedom.

> If I have a problem with cdrecord or star on Linux, I first try to reproduce
> it on Solaris so I can avoid e.g. GDB because it does not give me the
> needed features.

What are you doing exactly on this mailinglist if you want to talk
about and promote non-free software? This is the place for that.

Jeroen Dekkers
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