improving the tone of discussion in FSFE
Bernhard E. Reiter
bernhard at fsfe.org
Wed Sep 12 07:19:32 UTC 2018
Am Dienstag 11 September 2018 21:36:49 schrieb Stefan Uygur:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:08 PM Bernhard E. Reiter <bernhard at fsfe.org>
> Exactly Bernhard, for your point of view. As from my point of view putting
> someone's name in the subject indicates nothing but an
> instigation/provocation or calling for war.
then I hereby apologise to Daniel and those who interpreted it this way!
As it was not meant to be provocative. (My aim was to be clear as respect
towards all readers, this is why I am changing the subject often if I believe
the main topic has shifted.)
> > It is not unrespectful in my eyes. Instead it shows what others cannot
> > understand the difference between the missed opportunities and your
> > public demands.
> Who are the others Bernhard?
On this particular point a number of people on this public mailinglist that
have responded to Daniel's mails. For example Harald Welte (on the 30th),
Nikos Roussos (on the 30th), Torsten Grote (on the 1st), Florian Snow (on the
5th), Carsten Agger (on the 3rd), Reinhard Müller (on the 29th), Max Mehl (on
the 29th), Michael Kesper (on the 28th), Christian Kalkhoff (on the 29th).
> Can they speak on their behalf if you don't mind me asking pls?
Many of them already did, see my incomplete list above.
Also I do not speak "for them", which I cannot. What I am trying to do
is to summarize my observations.
Given that there has been offensive language against individuals on this
list and that some points haven raised before, I can understand that many do
not feel comfortable exposing themselfs. I am respecting their choice.
> So let me ask you this question again. Given the incompatibility what are
> the amendments and actions that FSFE staff is prepared to take from
> practical point of view?
To clarify: I do not speak for the staff nor
for the executive leadership of FSFE.
If you ask me what to do, I hope we can
a) establish a constructive tone and atmosphere
b) listen and ask back to understand what issues there are
in the Free Software communities and
c) propose an adapted course for FSFE and sail it
b) and c) is a regular activity of FSFE staff, executive leadership
and volunteers. It may or may not turn out issues are bigger this time.
(However in 17 years of FSFE there had been a lot of larger controversies.)
> And just FYI, I am not referring to Daniel only when I talk about
> incompatibility, there are lots of people/supporters who things the same
> way, therefore incompatible and they will come out soon....
The incompatibility I was refering to is one of working styles between Daniel
and many e.V. members, other volunteers and community members. It is not
about criticism of FSFE's structure. It is about how FSFE shall discuss
topics, forms an opinion and works together. Somehow working with Daniel
turned out to be non-constructive and after trying to moderate and clarify
missunderstandings in this case I meanwhile unfortunately see no other choice
as to end the working relationship with him. I believe this is for the better
I am quite sure that many people and supporters holding similiar opinions
are able to voice themselfs differently and I am looking forward working with
all of you!
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