Re: Why “fellowship”?

Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild repentinus at
Thu Jan 5 14:48:31 UTC 2012


On 5 January 2012 14:36, MJ Ray <mjr at> wrote:
> Before I start: looks broken and
> the contact page says to mention it here.
Elaborate. Seems fine to me. It is certainly proper XML.

> Matthias Kirschner <mk at>
>> There are two topics:
>> - There is no European association. That is bad, because else FSFE would
>>   have choosen that one. As this is not possible, we set up a German
>>   association.
> To all intents and purposes, a German association is a European
> association because it is governed by EU law as well as German law and
> I think members could join it from anywhere in the EU (maybe even the
> world).
True, but if all Fellows were members, hosting GAs would got out of hand.

>> - Fellows not being members. It was a choice when we set up the
>>   Fellowship to have Fellows as non-members. Like most of the people
>>   doing work for FSFE are non-members.
> I feel that was a poor choice, as you can probably guess.  I am a
> member of most of the things I work for at the moment.
It is possible to join FSFE as a member too.

> Not trusting future leaders with all aspects of our work is one reason
> why people choose strong copyleft, GPL rather than BSD, so it seems a
> bit odd that FSFE (like FSF) basically demands BSD-style surrendering
> of control over the future uses of one's work.
How, where?

>> (Of course one of
>>   the most powerful ways to influence FSFE is still to just do the work
>>   as a volunteer and to contact us on matters, and discuss with us.)
> That seems rather opaque and neither democratic nor do-ocratic.  As
> you may remember, I stopped volunteering when that approach did not
> produce proper consideration of putting any FSFE web pages under a
> free software licence.
That seems rather honest. It works out to that one way or the other
and acknowledging it is good. I agree with the licensing issue though.
We are trying to handle it for software first. Take a look at trac.
However, I am also of the opinion that our web pages should be
CC-BY-SA. The logo should be an exception.

Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild
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