John Tapsell tapselj0 at cs.man.ac.uk
Tue Mar 19 00:36:47 UTC 2002

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On Tuesday 19 March 2002 00:19, MJ Ray wrote:
> John Tapsell <tapselj0 at cs.man.ac.uk> wrote:
> > It all boils down to money.
> > They ask me, 'why would a company pay us any money if they can get it for
> > free?'.  And I cannot answer - but then I'm not a business man.
> Then you have no place in business.  Sorry.  Go learn a while, or find
> someoen who is and will teach you while running this company.

come now, lets not troll each other :P

  Most of the business parts of the company are done by the venture I do it 
with (what I've been calling the VC's for lack of a better term)
  They also pay for business training for me :)

> > particulary since as a closed source system I'd be looking at selling it
> > for 10's of thousands of pounds per client (large company)
> Yes, holding customers to ransom and screwing as much money as possible out
> of the ones you have is always a good business action(!)  OK, if you find
> some gullible people, you get into the black quicker, but at what price?

I see where you are coming from - but at the end of the day I'm offering a 
product.  I'm the 95% shareholder, so no one is going to force me to do 
anything I consider too unethical :)

I will be selling them the product on the basis that it will save them money 
- - if indeed it does, and they make back the money they paid me, does that 
still count as me 'screwing as much money as possible out of [them]' ?

> > To Ray - They get 5% equity, and 1.5% profit - which is _very_ good.
> OK, Tapsell, and what about the control I asked about?  etc.

Sorry, I was sort of implying that there was nothing else (Well, on top the 
business has to pay back 2/3 of its initial debt it incurs).  I have full 
control over the company.

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