Logo timeline

fsmunoz at netcabo.pt fsmunoz at netcabo.pt
Wed May 9 14:17:04 UTC 2001

Your remark just made me think about that:
As far as free software are concerned, we all know the legitimity 
and leadership of people in the community come from the achievment done 
in developping free software.


(I'm replying using a funky webmail client, quoting, lines, etc are probably fschked)

Indeed, that's absolutely true.

And that's why I personally have nothing against the core team decision about just about anything at this point; they *are* the core team, and in the current stage of the FSFE a 'democratic' org is *not* a Good Thing; as the core team, and while I don't know all the ppl involved, I know some of them by they work, and that suffices. The trust bestowed upon then by the FSF is also an explicit sign of both their competence and dedication to free software.

Of course, I would like to know why some decisions are made, and I may enquire on why they were made; but in the end, if the core team doesn't say why it's because they have good reasons and ones that probably I'm unaware of.

I liked to logos that were vetoed BTW, and personally I also would like a few lines telling why (altough if one reads the archives carefully one can probably get a hint).

I also like several of the logos that are left, but that's not the point. IMHO the core team is responsible for choosing several things that will define the FSFE, and it's a very risky task... it's not exactly easy to have a sister organization of the FSF without fearing making mistakes that could reflect badly on both European free software and the FSF herself. 

That being said, and although I'm all in favour of discussion etc etc, the FSFE core team has every legitimacy to vetoe, unvetoe, choose, unchoose, accept or reject; OTOH I would be very suspicious if decisions were made by 'democratic majority' using the list members, and it could all end up badly.

All this will probably sound rude and strange and very dar away from the PC ring words, but honestly, it's the only way to do things that are headed in the way that the FSFE was meant to go. 

Best Regards,


Frederico Muñoz
fsmunoz at sdf.lonestar.org

On Wed, 09 May 2001 08:40:35 +0200
josX <joshb at xs4all.nl> wrote:

josX> > Dear friends of the FSFE,
josX> > I have taken the task to tell you the latest news about=20
josX> > how we hope to have a logo for the FSFE soon.
josX> > There has been quite some discussion within the core team.
josX> > We like to take the opportunity to again thank everybody who
josX> > contributed to the effort. Every idea and draft was useful for us
josX> > and needed so that we could make up our mind about coming up with a
josX> > logo which is best for the the FSFE.
josX> > Up to now a couple of logos have been ruled out so far by members of the
josX> > core team who feel strongly about not choosing such a logo:
josX> > 	- Anja's "GNU and Europe" is vetoed=20
josX>                                   ^^^^^^^^^
josX> > 		http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/
josX> > 	- The "GNU" logo (which was also temporarily used on
josX> > 	fsfeurope.org) is vetoed
josX>                        ^^^^^^^^^
josX> <snp>
josX> You are kidding, right ;-)!
josX> You know what I think about you FSF-E?
josX> You are here for the money, and for the power too.
josX> Press release: ""this is the source for ```Authorative''' information
josX> regarding free software in Europe?????"
josX> The non-democratic core-team has spoken it's veto.... and GEE this is the
josX> FIRST dicesion you ever make !!! so we can get used to your dominance
josX> soon?
josX> You are not hackers, you are not free software, you are a bunch of shrude
josX> managers seeking to exploit free software. A big villa huh? with a nice
josX> garden huh? expensive restaurant? .... I see you put your money where you
josX> mouth is... /literaly/, not figuratively. Why don't you sell the villa to
josX> generate funds so we can buy computers for the kernel-hackers? Why don't
josX> you use that money to start printing free stickers to be given away 
josX> wherever possible etc etc etc?
josX> Don't think you can kid everyone.
josX> Jos
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