Hi,
Yesterday I read this press release:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/05/20/country.seeks.bids.on.106.mill...
<<The Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has been touring Silicon Valley companies this week, on the heels of a similar tour by Turkish President Abdullah Gül last month. Both men received VIP tours of facilities at Microsoft and Google, and met privately with officials from Apple. All three companies are hoping to land a contract to supply the country with at least 10.6 million tablets for the country's students>>.
Do you think it could be a good idea to send a message to Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and to Mr. Abdullah Gül regarding the advantages of the use of devices with free software in an educational environment?
If yes, how do you think it could be done?
Could it be done from the FSFE?
Best regards
Vicen
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On 23/05/13 23:52, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
Do you think it could be a good idea to send a message to Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and to Mr. Abdullah Gül regarding the advantages of the use of devices with free software in an educational environment?
Yes.
Could it be done from the FSFE?
Yes.
how do you think it could be done?
It could be a simple open letter, sent in physical and postal form to the Turkish government, and published on fsfe.org.
Are you happy to start drafting it? Please use pad.fsfe.org so that others can participate. You can reuse arguments from the FSFE education team pages. I recommend keeping the text simple.
Thanks for working on this opportunity :)
Sam.
PS Editors added in CC.
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Hi Sam,
I think my English is not good enough to write that kind of letter. I've written a draft in Spanish an tried to translate it into English. Here are both versions:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
Best regards
Vicen
El sáb, 25-05-2013 a las 12:39 +0200, Sam Tuke escribió:
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On 23/05/13 23:52, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
Do you think it could be a good idea to send a message to Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and to Mr. Abdullah Gül regarding the advantages of the use of devices with free software in an educational environment?
Yes.
Could it be done from the FSFE?
Yes.
how do you think it could be done?
It could be a simple open letter, sent in physical and postal form to the Turkish government, and published on fsfe.org.
Are you happy to start drafting it? Please use pad.fsfe.org so that others can participate. You can reuse arguments from the FSFE education team pages. I recommend keeping the text simple.
Thanks for working on this opportunity :)
Sam.
PS Editors added in CC.
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On 27/05/13 07:58, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
I think my English is not good enough to write that kind of letter. I've written a draft in Spanish an tried to translate it into English. Here are both versions:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
Excellent, I started editing the English version, but had to take some calls and ran out of time today. I've put the editors team in CC in case someone there can help out.
Ideally this should get sent this week, but that may not be possible depending on who's available (I'm on holiday until next week, and some other FSFE staff are taking days off after working the weekend at LinuxTag conference).
I have also put Sinan Doganli in CC, who has campaigned on Free Software issues in Turkey in the past and may be able to help.
Best,
Sam.
Hello, how can I help, do you need a turkish version or something else?
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sam Tuke samtuke@fsfe.org wrote:
On 27/05/13 07:58, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
I think my English is not good enough to write that kind of letter. I've
written a draft in Spanish an tried to translate it into English. Here are both versions:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdoganExcellent, I started editing the English version, but had to take some calls and ran out of time today. I've put the editors team in CC in case someone there can help out.
Ideally this should get sent this week, but that may not be possible depending on who's available (I'm on holiday until next week, and some other FSFE staff are taking days off after working the weekend at LinuxTag conference).
I have also put Sinan Doganli in CC, who has campaigned on Free Software issues in Turkey in the past and may be able to help.
Best,
Sam.
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On 28/05/13 12:16, Sinan Doğanlı wrote:
Hello, how can I help, do you need a turkish version or something else?
I think that would be great! A Turkish und an English version, so both can read it. If you are willing to translate, that would be really much appreciated!
Best, Erik
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Sinan,
On 28/05/13 12:16, Sinan Doğanlı wrote:
how can I help, do you need a turkish version or something else?
Yes, help with the Turkish translation once the English draft is ready would be extremely helpful.
Also we'd welcome your views on the English version as you know Turkish culture better than any of us non-Turks.
We also want to be careful not to appear insensitive to the momentous political situation currently gripping Turkey.
Best,
Sam.
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Hi all,
I've finished my English draft of Vincen's original letter to Erdogan. Please take a look and comment:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
I changed the tone to be less flattering and more direct. Bear in mind that this letter is being written more for its impact on Turks and the wider political and software community than it is for Mr Erdogan himself (he'll only be interested in reading it if lots of other already found it interesting).
We have to be careful to be sensitive to the other shocking events still taking place in Turkey, and I recommend we preface the letter with a brief statement about how we are aware of those events and recognise this is not an ideal time to talk about software, but that the decision will soon be made about the tablets and freedom must not be left behind in the debris of Taksim Square.
Again many thanks to Vincen for his first draft!
Best,
Sam.
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He may have fresh motivation to look at this if it is framed in terms of independence and privacy of communications - The Guardian is just reporting that Britain hacked Turkey's delegation to the G20 and they are very unhappy.
Regards,
Daniel
On 17/06/13 22:37, Sam Tuke wrote:
Hi all,
I've finished my English draft of Vincen's original letter to Erdogan. Please take a look and comment:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
I changed the tone to be less flattering and more direct. Bear in mind that this letter is being written more for its impact on Turks and the wider political and software community than it is for Mr Erdogan himself (he'll only be interested in reading it if lots of other already found it interesting).
We have to be careful to be sensitive to the other shocking events still taking place in Turkey, and I recommend we preface the letter with a brief statement about how we are aware of those events and recognise this is not an ideal time to talk about software, but that the decision will soon be made about the tablets and freedom must not be left behind in the debris of Taksim Square.
Again many thanks to Vincen for his first draft!
Best,
Sam.
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On 17/06/13 23:07, Daniel Pocock wrote:
He may have fresh motivation to look at this if it is framed in terms of independence and privacy of communications - The Guardian is just reporting that Britain hacked Turkey's delegation to the G20 and they are very unhappy.
Good point - the letter now reads:
Finally, for better security of both schools and students, Free Software makes its code available, providing evidence of how it functions. This week's revelations surrounding British Government spying on Turkish politicians at the G20 summit highlight the importance of software security and privacy - educational computers should not provide back-doors for foreign Governments and companies.
Sam.
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* Sam Tuke samtuke@fsfe.org [2013-06-17 22:37:35 +0200]:
Looks good.
We have to be careful to be sensitive to the other shocking events still taking place in Turkey, and I recommend we preface the letter with a brief statement about how we are aware of those events and recognise this is not an ideal time to talk about software, but that the decision will soon be made about the tablets and freedom must not be left behind in the debris of Taksim Square.
Yes, we have to do that.
Best Regards, Matthias
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Edits from Filip and Daniel have been incorporated!
I'll now work on the opening paragraph to accompany the online version.
Best,
Sam.
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My draft of the opening paragraph is done:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
In the next few hours Lucile will prepare the letter for publication, so please make any final suggestions / changes before 15.30 CEST today!
Sam.
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Hello friends,
I know it is a little bit late to propose any change in the draft, but I think 'Last week you visited America [...]' should be 'Recently you visited America [...]' or 'Some weeks ago you visited America [...]' or something similar. Anyway, the letter looks good. The initial draft was very soft and it may be convenient at times to use a more direct style. I think it is very appropriate to include the reference to the current situation in the streets of Turkey. I think the success of all the proposals that we can make on issues related to investments like this in technology for students are very important right now. The future is being played in schools... and proprietary software manufacturers know it. Yesterday I read this news: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lausd-chooses-ipads-for-pilot-20... Bad news. All students should have the opportunity to learn to enjoy the benefits of free software. Going back to the letter for Mr. Erdogan, it seems there is a GNU/Linux distribution called Pardus [1][2] developed by the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey [3][4]. I think it could be a good idea to try to send a copy of the letter to the group in charge of the development of that GNU/Linux distribution.
Best regards
Vicen
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardus_%28operating_system%29 [2] https://www.pardus.org.tr/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_and_Technological_Research_Council_... [4] http://www.tubitak.gov.tr/en
El mié, 19-06-2013 a las 14:28 +0200, Sam Tuke escribió:
My draft of the opening paragraph is done:
https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan
In the next few hours Lucile will prepare the letter for publication, so please make any final suggestions / changes before 15.30 CEST today!
Sam.
hi Vicen,
it is already published, but does not contain the problems with the "week" you mentioned any more: https://fsfe.org/news/2013/news-20130620-01.en.html
Best Regards, Matthias
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On 21/06/13 01:30, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
I know it is a little bit late to propose any change in the draft, but I think 'Last week you visited America [...]' should be 'Recently you visited America [...]'
You're right, already fixed.
or 'Some weeks ago you visited America [...]' or something similar.
Anyway, the letter looks good. The initial draft was very soft and it may be convenient at times to use a more direct style. I think it is very appropriate to include the reference to the current situation in the streets of Turkey.
Agreed; we added an opening paragraph for the web edition so that online readers will have the letter put in context. I hope that way that it is worded, it wasn't easy to write.
I think the success of all the proposals that we can make on issues related to investments like this in technology for students are very important right now. The future is being played in schools... and proprietary software manufacturers know it.
Absolutely. If we can make impact on this decision it'll be a good thing. I tweeted the article using erdogan's twitter handle, and the project fatih hashtag, so hopefully turkish media might pick it up.
Yesterday I read this news: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lausd-chooses-ipads-for-pilot-20...
Bad news. All students should have the opportunity to learn to enjoy the
benefits of free software.
I saw that too, but a pilot isn't the same as a done deal. Looks likely that Apple will get the contract though.
Going back to the letter for Mr. Erdogan, it seems there is a GNU/Linux distribution called Pardus [1][2] developed by the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey [3][4]. I think it could be a good idea to try to send a copy of the letter to the group in charge of the development of that GNU/Linux distribution.
Excellent idea, we'll do that.
Finally, I'd like to improve collaboration for when we handle press releases like this in future. If you had SVN access, would you have been interested in helping write the HTML version of the letter (published on FSFE.org)? Did ether[ad work as an authoring tool for you? If FSFE had guidelines for writing letters like this, would you have wanted to read or use it?
Best,
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On Friday 21 June 2013 14:52:06 Sam Tuke wrote:
Finally, I'd like to improve collaboration for when we handle press releases like this in future. If you had SVN access, would you have been interested in helping write the HTML version of the letter (published on FSFE.org)?
Flbk: Not this time, HTML is not my language yet.
Did ether[ad work as an authoring tool for you?
Flbk: It was a nice experience. Everything was :) simple.
If FSFE had guidelines for writing letters like this, would you have wanted to read or use it?
Flbk: sure, I'd like to read them.
Best,
Sam.
Best, Filip
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On 21/06/13 15:42, Filip Lobik wrote:
Flbk: Not this time, HTML is not my language yet. ... Flbk: sure, I'd like to read them.
On 22/06/13 00:39, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
If FSFE had guidelines for writing letters like this, I would have wanted to read it.
Thanks for the feedback. In future we should have those guidelines available.
On 22/06/13 00:39, Vicen Rodriguez wrote:
I don't know SVN. Do you mean Apache Subversion, a software versioning and revision control system? If you are talking about it, I will read how does
it > work.
Yes that's what I meant. For making changes to the fsfe website we use that tool to ensure that no changes are lost.
I would have been interested in helping write the HTML version of the letter, but I'm not sure I would have had enough time. Etherpad did work as an authoring tool for me.
Thanks for your feedback both :)
Sam.
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Hi Sam,
I don't know SVN. Do you mean Apache Subversion, a software versioning and revision control system? If you are talking about it, I will read how does it work. I would have been interested in helping write the HTML version of the letter, but I'm not sure I would have had enough time. Etherpad did work as an authoring tool for me. If FSFE had guidelines for writing letters like this, I would have wanted to read it.
Best regards
Vicen
El vie, 21-06-2013 a las 14:52 +0200, Sam Tuke escribió: [...]
Finally, I'd like to improve collaboration for when we handle press releases like this in future. If you had SVN access, would you have been interested in helping write the HTML version of the letter (published on FSFE.org)? Did ether[ad work as an authoring tool for you? If FSFE had guidelines for writing letters like this, would you have wanted to read or use it?
Best,
Sam.
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Hi all,
Just so you know, the English version of the letter was sent to FSFEs press contacts (hundreds of them). Thanks to Lucile for handling that process.
I haven't checked to see if the story was picked up by news agencies etc. I will look next week.
Thanks again to everyone who worked on the letter and made its publication possible!
Sam.
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