Discussion October 2001

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Re: The German PingoS project
by Bernhard Reiter 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Hello Heiko, On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 10:48:32AM +0200, Heiko Degenhardt wrote: > (sorry, I don't know if webmaster(a)fsfeurope.org is the > right place for that. I just emailed education(a)gnu.org, > but without answer. If you know a better contact for us, > please let me know). The team(a)fsfeurope.org address reaches the core team directly. The two mailinglists discussion(a)fsfeurope.org and fsfe-de(a)fsfeurope.org also are good places to get in contact with all or the German speaking FSFE people. > At http://www.fsfeurope.org/education/education.html I > read that the FSF Europe actively supports the use of > Free Software in education. I alsothink that the use of > Free Software and documentation at schools is one of the > main tasks of the "community" in the near future. I agree. > I would like to point you to the German PingoS project, > which is offering free Linux support for schools and writing > school software and documentation under the GPL. The homepage > (currently only available in German language) is at > http://www.pingos.schulnetz.org, but you can find a short > description of the project in English language at > http://www.pingos.schulnetz.org/description/. > We are very interested in getting in contact with other > projects that are promoting free software at schools. We just > got some contact with the Ofset project (http://www.ofset.org), > with OpenWebSchool (http://www.openwebschool.org) and with > Ganesha's project (http://www.ganeshas-project.org). > > It would be very nice to here from you what you think of our > project, and if you see some way that we can cooperate. From what I know about PingoS, the project focusses on some of the practial advantages of GNU/Linux and Free Software. It is stressed several times that "Linux" comes without costs. Personally I feel that the project should gently also introduced to the mid-term and long-term advantages gained through Free Software. Maybe we can meet and chat about how we can help each others. I think Georg Greve will be in Berlin for the WOS2 and the FSFE will have a small booth at the Systems in Munich from 15-19. Oktober. These might be good occasions. Note that I am not necessarily lead the education efforts of the FSFE. Best, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org) Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org) FSF Europe (fsfeurope.org)

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we should be stable again
by Georg C. F. Greve 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Hi all, the shift to DSL seems to have been successful and things appear stable. I'll keep an eye on it, but from now on things are not expected to be broken. :) It is possible that some people may have received complaints from fencepost for looping mail - the problem is fixed, please resend. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)gnu.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Brave GNU World (http://brave-gnu-world.org)

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Re: Linux Intern - Free Software as binaries, but no source
by Alessandro Rubini 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Hello. > It comes with a Debian GNU/Linux CD. But it seems that they don't > tell you where to get the sources. > IMHO, this violates the GPL Actually, I don't think telling where sources are is enough. You must provide a written offer valid for at least three years. While providing a pointer to the source is not a bad idea at all (and not providing one is definitely bad practice), id doesn't make the single-cd redistribution compliant. No magazine I know about is GPL-compliant. They only distribute binaries and don't offer access to source code (nor do they provide the user with a written offer -- which they wouldn't be able to comply with anyways). Since this kind of violation (if confirmed, that I'm not sure about) is not a real problem, I never cared about. I don't think it's not a real problem as long as stuff redistributetd comes from a well-known place, or at least known (or made-known as you suggest). I'd like to get other opinions about this issue, though, as I'm not a lawyer. BTW: anyone with comments about embedded software and the GPL? /alessandro

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Linux Intern - Free Software as binaries, but no source
by Rodger Etz-Brown 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Hi all, I just came a cross a new issue of a German magazine called 'Linux intern'. Publisher is Data Becker. It comes with a Debian GNU/Linux CD. But it seems that they don't tell you where to get the sources. IMHO, this violates the GPL under which most of the S/W contained is published. From previous experience, where my company printed a Debian CD but did not mention where to get the sources, we got complains, quite rightly, so we had to add this. Reason why I bring this up is because there is actually more in the magazine, that I disagree with, in particular the 'review' of the Debian project. Questions are: Has anybody else seen this mag and agrees that the link to the sources is missing? If it is missing, does this violate the GPL? How to react to this? Would it be somebody like the FSF Europe or the Debian project that contacts the publishers? Regards, REB

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