co-board November 2007

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Research to reference: companies don't know how much they are spending on IT
by Shane Martin Coughlan 07 Nov '07

07 Nov '07

There is some research hitting the news today that might be useful to mention in speeches about Certified Open "Businesses need to radically shake up their attitudes about how they value information technology assets, according to new research released today." "The Paris-based business school Insead, which carried out the study, said it found that far from understanding IT assets as a core business need, many firms instead wrote hardware and software development costs off as mere expense items." "It said that 30 per cent of all respondents were clueless about how much cash was spent each year by their companies on software." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/06/insead_micro_focus_assets_study/

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Flyers for Rio?
by Georg C. F. Greve 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Hi all, how are the flyers coming? Will I have flyers for Rio? Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info)

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[Fwd: FW: CO test with Nanowidget and standards]
by bob blatchford 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Below is the annotated responses to Stephen Aitkens test For my education and fun I just invented a product called Nanowidget for CO and it got a bronze. I disabled hardware questions which then greyed out – nice feature. When I returned to revise my scores hardware was no longer greyed out but the disable button had disappeared. Is this OK? I’m promoting this Tuesday to the LPI EMEA group so we might get some overseas takers. *****[Rod] 20071106 - Already logged with RefLab I found it very quick and easy to use for my product which is unique in the market, only has me supporting it, is not OSS but uses ODF. *****[Rod] 20071106 - Thanks for the feedback It only told me I had a bronze, not the actual score – is this deliberate? *****[Rod] 20071106 - Already logged with RefLab The delete button is very close to the modify button so it would be easy to delete by mistake or does it ask “ do you really want to delete” *****[Rod] 20071106 - OK - I have included this on the latest issues list Re standards is ODF (and OOXML) only relevant to office worker documents? Does it cover things like article numbering, vectors for engineers, rendering, relational DB etc? Should we generate a list of things it doesn’t cover and then make moves to extend it so its better than OOXML in its scope? Areas which wouldn’t interest Microsoft. Or am I being stupid? *****[Rod] 20071106 - Refer to CO board. not a website issue. Stephen + 44(0)7866 36 1233 Skype stephen.aitken

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[Fwd: FW: CO test with TestInternet]
by bob blatchford 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

All I have discussed previous tests with Rod see below for responses to Shanes test. -------- -----Original Message----- From: Shane Martin Coughlan [mailto:coughlan@fsfeurope.org] Sent: 29 October 2007 13:15 To: Rod Norman Cc: stephen.aitken(a)openforumeurope.org; Mike Banahan; BASIL COUSINS OFE; Chris Clark; board(a)certifiedopen.com Subject: CO test with TestInternet Dear all I invented a product called TestInternet. It was created under the new account 'shanemcoughlan' for the company Opendawn. When I logged into my account for the first time I saw this page: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in This could do with a little cleaning and reduction of size. I think that the text should also link to the documents etc that it refers to. ***** 20071106 update - Shane - please suggest any alternate content When I completed adding my new product I submitted it and I was taken back to this page: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in I had to navigate to this page to see my score: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_list_my_products I think this is a bug. People should be taken directly to their listing of products: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_list_my_products **** 20071106 - This is a bug already on outstanding list with RefLab Also, the listing of the products should contain details of the score as well as the certification level. I was a little surprised that my product got a gold. It was a 100% all the way through until the business section, but I only gave it one level of top-tier support etc. I'd like to have seen the detailed scores. **** 20071106 - This is a change to spec this is now on outstanding list with RefLab Another note. I clicked around the site a little and then decided to go back into the database. I went into Product Database: http://www.certifiedopen.com/product-database Then I went to Existing Account Holders: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_login Because I was already logged in the screen didn't contain a form. However, it was pretty blank. I would have expected to be directed to: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in **** 20071106 - Shane - please suggest changes to text or any other appropriate content Regards Shane

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Flier
by Graham Taylor 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

As promised I have drafted a first cut at the look and feel and content of the 2 page flier.Comments asap please. Tks G

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Re: CO ISSUE TRACKER
by Shane Martin Coughlan 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Rod Norman wrote: > Hi - You may view the CO outstanding issues and functionality at > www.certifiedopen.com/issue_tracker > <http://www.certifiedopen.com/issue_tracker> . You have already been > given full management access to the site - Regards - Rod Thanks for the issue tracker log-in details. However, is it possible to confirm the questions raised in the two specific tests of the Certified Open database as resolved? It is not entirely clear which issues on the tracker related to potentially related issues and I have no time resources to cross-reference everything. Shane -- Shane Coughlan FTF Coordinator Free Software Foundation Europe Office: +41435000366 ext 408 / Mobile: +41792633406 coughlan(a)fsfeurope.org Support Free Software > http://fsfe.org

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CO OUSTANDING ITEMS BELOW
by Shane Martin Coughlan 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Rob posted this list of items to Graham, Bob and myself. Forwarding to board. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: CO OUSTANDING ITEMS BELOW Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:47:00 -0000 From: Rod Norman <rod(a)openforumeurope.org> To: Bob Blatchford <bob(a)openforumeurope.org>, Graham Taylor <graham(a)openforumeurope.org>, Shane Martin Coughlan <coughlan(a)fsfeurope.org> *This release:* - Scores - Include the Scores total for each View. This is required for Modify Product and Searched pages (co_modify_product & co_show_product). - Scores - Include the overall % score for Modify Product and Searched pages (co_modify_product & co_show_product). - Modify Product (co_modify_product) - Include disable functions on Views (as already implemented on Create New Product) - Create New Product (co_new_product) - Link page to List my products (co_list_my_products) on activating the Submit tab - List my products (co_list_my_products) - Include the overall % score in the 'product certification' table - List my products (co_list_my_products) - actions table - change wording to 'view/modify' - Search facility (co_show_product) - Include % scores on Certification level field *Next release:* - Include Payments function - RefLab - Create New Product (co_new_product) - Include Solutions and Industry as dropdown choices (as TOFE database) - Search (co_search_product) - Include Solutions and Industry as search parameters - List my products (co_list_my_products) - Provide 'Delete Confirmation?' on activating the Delete tab

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Re: CO test with Nanowidget and standards
by Shane Martin Coughlan 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Hi Rod, can you confirm that all of the issues below are now resolved? ========== Hi Stephen Stephen Aitken OFE wrote: > For my education and fun I just invented a product called Nanowidget > for CO and it got a bronze. I disabled hardware questions which then > greyed out – nice feature. When I returned to revise my scores > hardware was no longer greyed out but the disable button had > disappeared. Is this OK? This sounds like a bug. Rod, can you confirm this behaviour? > I found it very quick and easy to use for my product which is unique > in the market, only has me supporting it, is not OSS but uses ODF. > It only told me I had a bronze, not the actual score – is this > deliberate? I believe it should show the certification level and the actual score. > The delete button is very close to the modify button so it would be > easy to delete by mistake or does it ask “ do you really want to > delete” A delete confirmation would be a good idea. > Re standards is ODF (and OOXML) only relevant to office worker > documents? Does it cover things like article numbering, vectors for > engineers, rendering, relational DB etc? Should we generate a list of > things it doesn’t cover and then make moves to extend it so its better > than OOXML in its scope? Areas which wouldn’t interest Microsoft. Or > am I being stupid? I think that the entire scope of extending ODF etc is beyond the remit of Certified Open. OASIS maintains ODF and it's their job to deal with that. In our case, I believe we are just using ODF as a good example of an Open Standard. Shane -- Shane Coughlan FTF Coordinator Free Software Foundation Europe Office: +41435000366 ext 408 / Mobile: +41792633406 coughlan(a)fsfeurope.org Support Free Software > http://fsfe.org

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CO test with TestInternet
by Shane Martin Coughlan 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Dear all I invented a product called TestInternet. It was created under the new account 'shanemcoughlan' for the company Opendawn. When I logged into my account for the first time I saw this page: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in This could do with a little cleaning and reduction of size. I think that the text should also link to the documents etc that it refers to. When I completed adding my new product I submitted it and I was taken back to this page: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in I had to navigate to this page to see my score: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_list_my_products I think this is a bug. People should be taken directly to their listing of products: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_list_my_products Also, the listing of the products should contain details of the score as well as the certification level. I was a little surprised that my product got a gold. It was a 100% all the way through until the business section, but I only gave it one level of top-tier support etc. I'd like to have seen the detailed scores. Another note. I clicked around the site a little and then decided to go back into the database. I went into Product Database: http://www.certifiedopen.com/product-database Then I went to Existing Account Holders: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_login Because I was already logged in the screen didn't contain a form. However, it was pretty blank. I would have expected to be directed to: http://www.certifiedopen.com/co_logged_in Regards Shane -- Shane Coughlan FTF Coordinator Free Software Foundation Europe Office: +41435000366 ext 408 / Mobile: +41792633406 coughlan(a)fsfeurope.org Support Free Software > http://fsfe.org

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CO operating Principles
by bob blatchford 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

All I have discussed CO Operating Principles with Rod and we will review status and make changes needed on Thursday and issue updated version for comment on Friday. Bob

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