Daniel on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

Stefan Uygur ostendali at gmail.com
Thu Sep 6 08:41:34 UTC 2018

You really are asking me this question while the reason of my
disappointment is clearly quoted?

But l will try to help you by listing just a couple of reasons:

1. He accused my email address to be associated somehow with Daniel and he
even deared to do a research on my email.
2. He is continuously talking on behalf of Matthias Kirchner since the
beginning while several people including myself calling the latter into
3. He is an ass kisser and l detest such people

If Matthias Kirchner has his personal issues, incapable of performing his
duties and therefore not able to represent this organisation why can't he
just quit?

Even the fact that you ask me why l am disappointed upsets me and makes me
clearly think you are not following the flow of tue threads or maybe you
simply ignore. Because, if you didn't realize l removed everything and
quoted only 2 paragraphs to make sure where I've been triggered.

Now, really, l am tired of explaining myself to fsfe internal audience for
things that are obvious.

I am and remain at the opinion that all the stuff has to go and fsfe need
complete change for the sake of survival of fsfe itself.

Else, it can continue and remain a tiny meaningless association but in that
case pls rename it fsfg hence it can represent Germany only not the entire

The way things are right now fsfe does not deserve to be representing free
software community or better is not representing.

I hope this clears things in better, pls do not debate further or ask morr
explanations as you can go back amd read all the history of mails in this
ml and try to understand in better my reasoning.

Ciao and best of luck.

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018, 06:13 Andreas Nilsson, <emitter at hush.com> wrote:

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> Hi Stefan.
> I couldn't help but notice the nature of how disappointed you seem to
> be at Bernhard. I don't know what Bernhard has done in the past days
> that this debate might have taken place but I do know that stating a
> view on a doing that hasn't been done is wrongful.
> What has Bernhard done to be put to shame and go away in your thinking?
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
> On Wed, 2018-09-05 at 18:03 +0100, Stefan Uygur wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:42 AM Bernhard E. Reiter <bernhard at fsfe.org>
> > wrote:
> > > please read the exchange again and look at the quotes,
> > > I was asking what ostendali at gmail.com meant by quoting from an HTML
> > > mail by
> > > matthias.hager at zoho.eu.
> > >
> > > BTW: as both email addresses have no direct hits on an internet
> > > search engine,
> > > they strongly support your points and they have similiarities in
> > > writing
> > > styles, I'm just asking you directly: What is your connection to
> > > these email
> > > addresses?
> > >
> >
> > I cannot believe that an organization like FSFE has a little minded
> > people like you Bernhard. Yes I am talking to you with the specific
> > tone and directly because you are the disgrace of Free Software and
> > the community. Otherwise you will have not written such a shameful
> > insinuation. If you have had just googled, for the sake of your
> > intelligence, my name, you will have seen that that email is
> > associated to my name.
> >
> > The fact that I do not write often in this list does not give me less
> > entitlements and gives you more etc. I am the supporter of Free
> > Software and the community and I promote both equally for more than 2
> > decades.
> >
> > I pay the community and the organization for which you work for and
> > you are paid for, you and your president Matthias. You don't pay me
> > but I do pay you.
> >
> > Therefore I believe I have more entitlements then you do and if I
> > demand explanation and the intervention of the legal representative,
> > which is the president, that person either have to show up or it has
> > to go away.Because I am not in the mood to allow such person to
> > represent free software and the community.
> >
> > I am sick of receiving your emails and you speaking on behalf of
> > Matthias. In the community like Free Software there is no space for
> > ass kissers.
> >
> > Shame on you.
> >
> > Go home all of you.
> >
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