what makes a good president and chairperson?

[Stefan Uygur]

Bernard,
I clearly quoted to Matthias's email, was that hard to understand this.

I don't think l have posted anything disrespectful here, ever in this ml.

So be nice and respect my feedback/opinion and stop with your lecturings
plus insinuations pls.

Stop talking on behalf of Matthias Kirchner and let him exercise his own
defence. I don't think I called you into this, don't remember mentioning
your name.

More you talk this way and more he is not showing up more people will get
convinced that things are upside down in this organisation.

This is becoming really noisy now, l have asked clearly to stop this debate
that is running on different threads and let the main representative to
feedback and respond to issues raised. Not accusations but issues.
Apparently you ignored that email.

If you can be so kind to let Matthias to handle and talk on his behalf pls.
Would appreciate that.

Best of luck.


On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 09:06 Bernhard E. Reiter, <bernhard at fsfe.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am Montag 03 September 2018 22:12:28 schrieb Stefan Uygur:
> > Pretty much it....
> > Can't say l disagree.
>
> thanks for quoting the HTML email.
> Can you say to which you agree with in particular?
> Carsten's statement that we believes that everything is basically fine?
>
> > On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 21:08 Matthias Hager, <matthias.hager at zoho.eu>
> wrote:
> > > All the crazy stuff on this list doesn't make you cringe?  The culture
> of
> > > this organization is hideous.  Everybody is infected with it.
>
> It is this kind of statements that we do not want here.
> Even if you'd have a few persons that write in a disrespectful tone, there
> is
> no need to generally accuse everybody.
>
> What shall we do if questions are asked? Even in a disrespectful tone?
> We had chosen the path to allow them and reply with answers and a good
> tone.
> So we attempt to err in doubt of the argument. However if the tone is
> degrading, we need to be more strict about our moderation policy to protect
> the other people who want to ask and discuss in a civil tone.
>
> > > Get a new leader and get a new culture.  Other people worry about too
> > > many details but they are right about the solution: change
>
> Sorry, change without detailed plan or purpose is just activism.
> Something I do not like in politics in general. Do you?
>
> > > Funny question but how did a little posse in Berlin trying to a-- f---
> > > the absent fellowship rep benefit free software?
>
> Daniel had several potential ways to make sure his opinion and vote would
> have
> been represented. He had chosen to not pursue any of them. There also is a
> second fellowship representative. And the change voted upon there was
> already
> in planning before Daniel became to have a fellowship seat. He knows all
> this
> and could not convince others about his ways of working over several
> months
> and now does not accept what a majority has concluded and goes public
> here.
> It is yours do judge the discussion of course.
>
> Regards,
> Bernhard
>
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