[UK] Information about the think tank Doteveryone

Adonay Felipe Nogueira adfeno at hyperbola.info
Tue Mar 20 18:12:48 UTC 2018

Note: Top-posting so that new people know to what I'm replying to.

Is everything going OK in that periodic check?

As a side-note: I wonder if someone from this list is going to a random
number of these in-person meetings.

Finally, for every case: don't worry, this message isn't meant to be

2017-11-18T10:50:48+0000 Andres Muniz Piniella wrote:
> Agreed with this (my thoughts exactly), I will check in from time to time to
> make sure faif is mentioned. 
> In the mean time we can monitor here:
> https://medium.com/doteveryone/responsible-tech/home
> Andres (he/him/his)
> On Fri, 2017-11-17 at 11:16 -0200, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
>  Just for informational purposes: I thank Mx. Piniella and also those
> from Doteveryone who replied.
> However, I do hope that either:
> - the suggestions and notes presented are implemented or discussed
>   explicitly;
> - they discuss the importance of free/libre software philosophy/movement
>   explicitly during the related programs/tracks;
> - they put the related free/libre software philosophy/movement and its
>   projects as important/necessary/rquired part of the process;
> - they foster people getting in touch with the related free/libre
>   software activists and non-profit and charity organizations.
> These points are important because, at least in the groups I observed
> from afar/far here in Brazil, I noticed that even though a free/libre
> software activist takes days of his life to write ellaborated reply or
> suggestions to this regard, little is done from the affected
> organizations in regards to discussing the issues explicitly. Most of
> the times, in the organizations here in Brazil we have only some basic
> mention of "accessibility", "privacy", "security", "development", but
> almost no explicit mention and discussion on the free/libre software
> philosophy and its movement, its principles, and relations with
> sustainability (which goes beyond the environmental pillar), democracy,
> politics, federation, economics (which deals with the effects of
> resource scarcity, limits, overuse or underuse; not to be confused with
> finance and chrematistics), capability-based approach/theory of
> political philosophy, the conflict between competition (and "competitive
> advantage") and collaboration, ethics (and moral dilemmas), and how
> non-exclusive and non-rival naturally-public goods with zero transaction
> costs and which can have positive externalities behave different than
> other goods.
> Finally, during the discussions, care must be taken so that free/libre
> software isn't framed as "required to be gratis". While in some cases
> one can acquire a copy of free/libre software or free/libre system
> distribution by paying nothing for it, there are costs associated with
> maintainance, training costs, development, customization for specific
> needs, adapting previous customizations after getting updates (because
> someone has to keep the pieces, or do even better by contributing them
> to the original project). All these costs also exist in the case of
> non-free software, but they are felt and paid for in other ways (which
> the public wouldn't agree with if told exclicitly beforehand). By making
> these needs and costs explicit, it's possible to open oors for fostering
> the local/municipal, regional, national/federal, and international
> economies.
> Respectfully, Adonay.
> Andres Muniz Piniella <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es> writes:
> On Thu, 2017-11-09 at 18:22 -0200, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
>  Anyways, while that message doesn't come, here is the message I would
>  send to the organizations involved.
>  --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>  This message can be passed on to the organization involved.
> Andonay: Your feedback has been forwarded on and Laura James, technology
> principal at Doteveryone. Has said:
> "thanks for the feedback! (...)Also useful to have feedback on the
> Trustworthy tech partners handbook and the thinking therein - this is the
> first serious feedback we’ve had on that :slightly_smiling_face: will think
> about this as we work through the program and refine our ideas"
> So thank you! If anybody else wants to review any more documents I can send
> the odt of the google doc and pdf document (I have asked for a link on that
> one). 
> A related coop that is out is: https://diglife.com if worth discussing I can
> create a separate thread for this. 

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