Joe Awni joe.awni at gmail.com
Fri Jan 12 12:16:17 UTC 2018

I'm quite curious about the controversial printout/pamphlet that sparked this controversy. Is anyone able to upload a photocopy? 

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> On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno at hyperbola.info> wrote:
> Yet again we see this confusion... FSF also receives donations from
> Google. I don't know about the organizational status of FSFE, but in the
> case of FSF: it's *impossible* for a 501(c)(3) charity organization like
> the FSF to continue working if they ever decide to favor every action or
> product of a specific person/organization even in cases where such
> aren't in favor with their goals. In contrast, donations from
> for-profits are what makes most of the income for most organizations (I
> don't know about the FSF, but I think that in their "About" pages you
> can see references about such subjects).
> My suggestion: investigate the status of FSFE and the detailed
> requirements *both* for organizations that act as donors and for the
> receiving organization.
> 2018-01-12T10:25:16+0100 Werner Koch wrote:
>> majestyx wrote:
>>  Am dritten Tag folgte dann leider ein sehr einschneidendes
>>  Erlebnis. Der FSFE Mitarbeiter (mit Endgegner Shirt) wollte mir den
>>  Zugang zum FSFE Stand verwehren mit der Aussage ich würde quasi über
>>  den FSFE Tisch hinweg Negativ-Werbung machen. Ich fragte ihn nach dem
>>  Beweis, den blieb er schuldig und versteifte sich darauf bei seiner
>>  Behauptung zu bleiben, um mich dann des FSFE Standes zu verweisen.
>> Content: A FSFE staffer rejected him access to the FSFE booth where he
>> used to help out as a volunteer.  The given reason was that majestyx was
>> engaged in negative advertising on the FSFE from behind the booth.  He
>> asked for evidence but the FSFE staffer was not able to present it.
>> That FSFE staffer (Erik) explained on the members only list:
>>  one of our supporters was acting like a wolf in sheep's
>>  clothing. While he was on one hand behind the booth to sell
>>  merchandise, he on the other hand spread self-made print-outs about
>>  "#fuckgooglefsfe" to criticise that FSFE accepts donations by
>>  google. (the print-outs were fortunately so bad and cryptic I doubt
>>  someone could understand what they are saying)
>>  Despite him insisting on his freedom of opinion, I forbid that person
>>  to spread these print-outs around the booth.
>> The background seems to be a discussion on the German list (and maybe on
>> some Berlin meetings) on whether it is acceptable that the FSFE takes
>> donations from Google.  In the aftermath of this one Berlin based member
>> canceled their membership which triggered a discussion on the members
>> only list.
>> I have not seen these handouts but I assume the text was in line with
>> his arguments expressed over several weeks on the German lists.  Erik's
>> reaction to ban him from *behind* the booth is fully acceptable to me
>> and I would have done the same.  Diverting opinions are for sure welcome
>> but they should not be presented in a way which let bystanders assume
>> that this (self-)critique is an official position of the FSFE.
>> Shalom-Salam,
>>   Werner
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