FSFE General Assembly Fellowship Representative Election

Stefan Umit Uygur ostendali at gmail.com
Wed Apr 12 14:41:12 UTC 2017

I have no doubt that there are plenty people who's lives is far away from
any sort of technologies and have absolute no doubt that they are happier
then anyone on this forum:-) I actually dream to be one of them one day.....

Now that we clarified that we both agree on that end I still remain in my
idea that your approach in the article appears strong to me. That is why I
mentioned RMS.

I understand that the article was for free software community crowd only
but remember your blog is public. For instance, forget that you are running
for a role in FSFE and think as outsider, those who are alien to Free Open
Source Software. Your approach wouldn't help even little for me to come
closer to free software (again, I said me, maybe others will think
differently). I have experienced in person Free Software Community (I run
many FOSS communities) and I speak based on my experience.

I can be in agreement with most of your comments but strongly disagree with
some other comments you made, comments like "Sometimes "extremism" is
simply the right solution.".

I think you are confusing the common sense with extremism/radicalism, at
least this is what I understand by reading examples given by you (hospital,
cleaning, bank, etc...).

Now, lets' go back the political propaganda and to the role that you are
running in FSFE. I personally don't know any of candidates and so far I
have had some interesting reading and comments from your side and I think
this is the best way for anyone to introduce themselves. So I'd like to
hear from the rest of candidates as well so we can profile them as well:-)

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Daniel Pocock <daniel at pocock.pro> wrote:

> On 12/04/17 15:31, Stefan Umit Uygur wrote:
> > I am perfectly aware they are strong words (and sorry if I had to use
> > them) but if I have differentiate the 2 point of views (between yourself
> > and Jonas) I am inclined to say I see more compromises and flexibility
> > in Jonas's side:-)
> >
> > You kinda reminded me RMS with your article and perhaps that is why I
> Thanks, I'm flattered and I think RMS would also be a great candidate
> for joining the FSFE General Assembly.
> > used those words because I am aware of his views (even discussing
> > between free software and open source software) and it wasn't difficult
> > for me not to notice the radicalism in the article. Don't think I didn't
> > read, noticed the examples you refer to but still...
> >
> Well, I would also note that the audience for this article was clearly
> the Free Software community.  When I'm talking about Free Software in a
> business environment or with some other audience I would normally use
> very different words and I would align my message more closely with the
> pains they experience with proprietary software.
> > And again, mine is a point of view, a simple expression and the way how
> > I can achieve a freedom to ultimate freedom.
> >
> > To answer your last question, no I definitely don't feel everybody who
> > lived successful life before computers were extremists. I can't answer
> > for facebook as I don't have any knowledge nor a profile on that
> > platform. But forgive my ignorance in this regards (I am slow to
> > understand) I feel like I didn't catch the hint in your last question.
> >
> There are still many people who live happily without computers and
> facebook and other proprietary platforms or software.  Think of all
> those grandmothers who are happy knitting.  Their choice doesn't make
> them extremists.
> I think most of us probably know a friend or family member who is
> obsessed with a proprietary product like iPhone or a service like
> facebook.  Those people typically see anybody without facebook or
> whatever as anti-social or an extremist.  Sometimes they even try to
> "help" create profiles on behalf of family members who don't want to use
> facebook.
> Sometimes "extremism" is simply the right solution.  If I was visiting a
> hospital, I would be thrilled if their cleaning staff were "extremists"
> about hygiene.  When I deposit my money in a bank, I hope they are
> extremists about security and risk management.  People who achieve great
> things, like Olympic athletes, can only get there with a "radical"
> lifestyle and diet.  A friend once dated one of Australia's Olympic
> rowers: she would come to the pub, drink an orange juice and go to be at
> 9pm.  I would not regard any of these people as dictators for talking
> about their approach.
> Regards,
> Daniel
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