Compulsory routers

Nico Rikken nico.rikken at
Mon Nov 30 23:15:04 UTC 2015

I assume you refer to the 'Horizon Box'? I'll probably end up with such
a box in the near future. My only hope is to put up a separate router to
get some separation. Ideally I would be able to select my own router, as
that would imply connectivity is more standard and strict. Then again
backdoors and security weaknesses are real, certainly in hardly updated

On vr, 2015-11-27 at 14:55 +0100, Giel van Schijndel wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:09:35 +0100, Nico Rikken wrote:
> > Not sure about other Dutch ISP's. I assume Ziggo (previously UPC, owned
> > by Liberty Global [doublespeak ;) ] will be difficult, if only
> > practically as a TV-cable modem is needed.
> My parents used to have UPC (now Ziggo). They used to have a cable
> modem. That got changed (a year or something ago) to a
> modem/router/access-point combo that's remote managed by default. In
> order to keep their networking setup working I had to disable the router
> and access-point bits. As for the remote-management: at the time I
> didn't succeed at disabling that, though I cannot remember what the
> reason for that was.

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