Stallman: cloud computing is a trap
Hannes Hauswedell
hannes at fsfe.org
Mon Oct 6 15:28:12 UTC 2008
We have had a similar discussion on fsfe-de and I dont want to repeat all the
points, but I think we really need to differentiate between to issues here:
1) Where do I store my data, do I trust the people in charge?
2) What freedom does the Software involved offer me?
The only point where these issues mingle, is when the software is not
controlled by the same people controlling the data (e.g. the software is
proprietary and provided by a third party), resulting in another party of
people you would have to trust.
Both of these issues can be adressed individually or together, but they are
two issues, e.g. you can de-/encrypt data on the client-side and store it an
proprietary web-app solving issue 1, but leaving issue 2 open. Or you can save
unencrypted data in a AGPLed CMS on GNewsense-Server and still have the people
running the server sell your data.
Now, what we have to think about, is whether both issues are equally important
to soceity in general and how or if the Free Software Movement should address
them.
My personal opinion is that both issues are very important to soceity, but
that issue 1 should be tackled by civil-rights organisitions, while the Free
Software Movement should focus on issue 2.
That doesnt mean we should not develop Free Software solutions to issue 1, I
merely want to point out that FSF(E) as organizations should focus on issue 2,
because thats what they are good at - and there already are other organization
strongly involved in issue 1.
Concerning the points you made:
> 1) there are applications (e.g. email-accounts, webspace, collaboration
> tools), which by definition can not rely on the individual, local desktop.
I think you definitions are a little to strict here. The emergence of p2p and
the spreading of fast internet access have IMHO changed the possibilities we
have. The traditional client-server-model is not necessary for future
communication.
Even traditional emailing works decentralized: about 50% of the Windows
Computers send mail, beit without their owners knowing ;)
> 2) the main reason for the shift from desktop-computing to web-applications
> is the increasing need for communication and remote collaboration, allowing
> for new social arrangements.
>
> 5) I admit, I am worried myself about the intransparency and the lack of
> control over hosted web-services. But on the other hand, I also feel
> strongly tempted about the opportunities, conveniences (and freedoms) they
> offer to me, or to communities of people. They allow me to do things I
> could not do otherwise.
Please eloborate, why it is technically necessary to store your personal and
private data on someone else's computer to be able to your regular
communication.
>
> 6) Basically, I think Stallman argues from the perspective of a computer
> specialist, who is able to control and maintain any web-application
> himself.
That is the same argument brought up against FreeSoftware by people who can't
code.
> This is not the situation, I am in as an individual and a teacher.
> As an individual, I need web-services, which are independent from my
> employer. As a teacher, I want to to teach my students, how survive in the
> internet, how to claim their own space, how to organise collaborations, how
> to publish in the internet, without depending on an institution they are
> member of.
If you are a few people together, that want to offer online-services like
webspace or collaboration, it should be even easier to get your own server /
housing...
> 7) [...] How could trustworthy
> web-applications and web-services look like? What is good practice for a
> web host? Is there room for public, non-proprietary systems of web-services
> and how should they look like?
Ciaran already posted the link:
http://www.clipperz.com/users/marco/blog/2008/05/30/freedom_and_privacy_cloud_call_action
Jeeze, this mail got longer than I thought ;)
Greetings
Hannes
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