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MJ Ray mjr at
Sun May 18 11:14:34 UTC 2008

Florian Weimer <fw at> wrote: [...]
> These days, there's hardly any widely used piece of proprietary software
> for which you can't get the source code.

I wasn't aware of this.  The Norton Security tools on Windows cause
some associates of mine many problems.  Even if the apparent bugs
can't be fixed, knowing the precise details of how it worked with
help.  Where can they get the source code?

> It's also not clear if source code availability is that helpful for
> uncovering security bugs.

Would either the recent openssl/debian zero-entropy mistake or the
openssl dangerous use of uninitialised memory have been uncovered
without source code availability?

It seems to me that closed security software is a bit dangerous.
Treating it as a black box and prodding it with different inputs and
outputs is an inadequate way of testing it, not really checking.

MJ Ray (slef)
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