Upgrading fsfe.org -- your feedback
Ben Finney
ben at benfinney.id.au
Fri Oct 12 00:51:08 UTC 2007
On 11-Oct-2007, allergic-to-spam at karlsen.me.uk wrote:
> > 3. Are there other tools you would like to have?
> Users should have the choice between forums and the mailing list.
> Whilst I have used mailing lists when I absolutely needed to in the
> past (and usenet), I find them obnoxious and very unpleasant to use.
You give a lot of detail in your message exploring why you find
mailing lists unwelcoming, and I thank you for it.
My main observation is that pretty much all the complaints you have
are to do with *user interface*: entirely valid, but IMO not something
the FSFE should spend much of its scarce resources on.
I think your complaints are far better addressed by providing messages
via a standard network protocol — a mailing list or an NNTP forum —
and allowing the user the choice of what *program* to use to interact
with it. The FSFE shouldn't be expected to be, or employ, experts on
user interface design for what is essentially a solved problem.
That way, the conversation isn't balkanised between "those who use
mailing lists" and "those who use the web forums"; instead, everyone
is using the same communication channel, but the end-point is selected
by the individual to match their needs.
I, for one, have exactly the mirror reaction to yours: I find email
and NNTP far more inclusive, because I already know how to use the
software that interacts with it. If I need a different presentation of
the messages, organised in custom ways as you suggest, I can choose
software that does so without getting the service provider involved in
that process at all.
With a web forum, on the other hand, I have to suffer with whatever
lame interface the webmaster chooses and learn a different interface
for every different site, and hassle the provider not only for the
delivery of messages but also the detailed interaction with them.
Instead, of course, I throw my hands up at the effort involved and
don't participate at all.
If the forum is, instead, accessible in all its features by a standard
protocol with software I *already* know how to use, but isn't
necessarily the *same* software everyone else uses, none of use are
forced to learn each other's crazy preferences.
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Ben Finney <ben at benfinney.id.au>
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