GPL License with clause for Web use?

MJ Ray mjr at
Thu Nov 22 17:25:37 UTC 2007

simo <simo.sorce at> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 15:28 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
> > simo <simo.sorce at> wrote:
> > > Of course any requirements can be spelt as a restriction from the point
> > > of view of the distributor, but the point of view of the GPL is to
> > > protect *user*'s freedom not distributors freedom.
> > 
> > User and distributor are not two distinct or identical groups with
> > free software.
> And how that matters?

You can't protect the freedom of one while denying the same freedom to
the other in any sensible way.

> If I own a shop, and but from my own shop, does it matter if I own it?
> Consumer, tax and other laws apply even to what I sell myself in that
> case. Both and separately as a consumer and as a vendor.
> When you talk legal matter the role you play is important.
> When you tal 4 freedoms the recipient is important. The role of
> distributor has to obey the requirements. The users enjoys the freedoms.

I suspect I don't understand the broken English above, nor the point
it's trying to make.  It looks like it's trying to make the same point
I was making, that everyone might be a shop-owner, but I doubt that.

> You keep trying to find FSF at fault, 

I don't need to try.  I just keep finding bugs in normal operation.
Maybe I'm just unlucky.  It could get pretty depressing, if I were
that way inclined.

> you are biased, and you do not recognized humans can commit errors.

I recognise that - I suggested that apologising and correcting errors
would be good.  However, some of the humans in FSF seem to be regarded
as incapable of errors.  If they make a mistake, it seems to be
claimed as either a mistake in whatever contradicts their latest
statement instead (which is then updated), or in the information they
were given, or something like that.

> [...] That said I never found the FSF betray the core values or
> change "the scriptures" to match leaders positions. [...]

You'll never find it if you refuse to look for it and deny it when you
see it.  Elevating their leaders to writers of "scriptures" is madness
- you do that, then call me an extremist?  Bizarre!

> But many others don't see this shift, so you are either claiming that
> *you* are the holder of the truth or that these other people are part of
> a conspiracy to change FSF core values.

I have some concerns about its operations, but I don't think there's a
conspiracy.  I do think the core values have changed over time,
without widespread hacker agreement, and I think that's a problem.

> [...] Unfortunately, nobody can change
> your beliefs, because beliefs are not facts. It's like religion and[...]

Oh, it's dead easy to change my beliefs: explain *why* I'm wrong.
It's not religion: in God we trust - all others bring data.
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