Not Any Browser (was: Kernel developers' position on GPLv3)
Frank Heckenbach
frank at g-n-u.de
Thu Sep 28 04:35:50 UTC 2006
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> Please do not post such long messages, my bandwidth is limited to 110
> Baud.
Please do not send me a 2nd copy by private mail, I'm reading the
list.
> Also, could you use EBCDIC? It takes alot of processing
> power to convert your very long message from ASCII to EBDCDIC.
I don't use evil proprietary formats like EBCDIC.
> But seriously...
>
> Just imagine another organisation, say the EU, making an
> influential survey on an important political matter, requiring a
> certain OS, browser, document format or whatever that "98% of
> computer users use or have ready access to". What an outcry this
> would be here!
>
> That is how it actually is and should be, the real problem is
> requiring people to install non-free software to be able to contribute
> to these things. With free software you can study how the process
> works, and even adapt it for your own needs, something that is simply
> impossible with non-free software.
(a) Stop preaching, please. We're on a FS list here. And note that
in my paragraph you quoted, I'm not talking about free or
non-free at all, but about the sillyness of quoting numbers as
an argument to exclude a minority. (BTW, what you say is
actually wrong -- you only mention freedom 1; software may give
one of the four freedoms and still be non-free.)
(b) Even it if was a "free browser required" site, I'd strongly
disagree, as I wrote. This would be a requirement unrelated to
the actual freedom (just like in many cases where proprietary
software is required, it's not because of the proprietaryness,
but because of requiring some particular software that happens
to be proprietary). IMHO, doing the same "in retaliation" would
be worse than "open source" advocacy, i.e. preferring free
software not because of its freedom, not even because of its
technical merits, but simply by "decree". (Think about the
message that would send: "Why should I use FS? Not because of
its freedoms, but because you must use it in order to access
this web site." We certainly don't want this.)
(c) The situation is not even like in (b), because not all free
browsers are supported, only a particular one.
(d) And even this one, in some forms, is not really free as MJR has
reminded us. (According to RMS in
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=353, "To
use Firefox as free software, you have to build it yourself from
the source code." I don't know myself if this is true, but if we
trust RMS, it would actually mean this requirement might have
made some people (who didn't build it from source themselves)
use a not (entirely) free browser to view this site, instead of
a fully free one they might have otherwise used.)
(e) The "Any Browser" campaign has never been an "Any Free Browser"
campaign. If you (or the FSF) want to change this, you can start
your own "Any Free Browser" campaign. But then please use
appropriate icons or slogans to avoid confusion with the real
"Any Browser" campaign, on sites such as gplv3.fsf.org that are
not "Any Browser" capable.
Frank
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