Kernel developers' position on GPLv3

Sam Liddicott sam at
Tue Sep 26 21:29:14 UTC 2006

I should have been more clear, I was trying to avoid being rude to ams.

It was a truncation of a longer response where I was saying that ams should not have kept out of politics.

I meant that the participation methods of FSF act as a selector of participants thus rendering ams conclusion meaningless, and supporting you.

Sorry not to have been clear enough.



-----Original Message-----
From: "MJ Ray" <mjr at>
To: discussion at
Sent: 26/09/06 17:57
Subject: Re: Kernel developers' position on GPLv3

Sam Liddicott <sam at> wrote:
> * Alfred M. Szmidt wrote, On 26/09/06 13:34:
> > You say that simply because you cannot use it how _you_ want, the
> > whole system must be junked, you could simply install a webbrowser and
> > use the system, or a PDF viewer, all of this is free software and not
> > very hard to do.

Firstly, I have a couple of web browsers installed, including Firefox, 
but they do not work with the system.

Secondly, web browsers are too large to download over GSM, I don't even 
have a telephone landline at the moment (thanks BT) and I can't see how 
to download stuff to removable media on the public library computers.

I say it should be junked simply because it makes various undocumented 
particular software demands, instead of using widely-available 
accessible tools.

> > PDF viewers and web browsers are the most basic
> > tools these days.  

PDF viewers are more basic than text editors, eh?

> > Maybe if you paid the people who made the whole GPLv3 commenting
> > infrastructure you might get what you want, but until then, they are
> > going to work on something the majority of people can use easily, and
> > they have done a wonderful job achiving that IMHO.

If FSF needs help or funding to get a working comment system, they 
should ask for it in good time.  I'd chip in and I'm sure many others 
would too, but I would not pay the people who made the current 
inaccessible system.

> I also believe that most of those who have been able to participate have
> been satisfied with the participation tools.

That's not really surprising, is it?

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