Defining Free Software Business
mjr at phonecoop.coop
Tue Jun 27 23:51:48 UTC 2006
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams at gnu.org> wrote:
> If Debian has been fixing these errors, please explain why it is
> hosting non-free software,
'We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of works
that do not conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We
have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for
these works. The packages in these areas are not part of the
Debian system, although they have been configured for use with
Debian.' -- http://www.fr.debian.org/social_contract
> and still adding more non-free software there. Most notably, Sun Java.
I don't understand why some debian delegates added Sun
Java, especially under those nasty terms.
> This is obviously not an error, since it is perfectly a valid practise
> within Debian and is condoned by the Debian project.
The addition of Sun Java to Debian has not been condoned.
Another wild accusation without evidence.
> > > > So, roughly equivalent to Debian's main archive. There are
> > > > other "Fedora foo" archives containing other things.
> > >
> > > Can you point me to these `other archives'?
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports/ lists some.
> Oh please, you quote a wiki. Then I guess that if someone makes a
> link to ftp.microsoft.com when posting to a GNU list then GNU is
> hosting non-free software. Stop this absurdities.
I expect GNU does host non-free software somewhere, but
I don't know whether ftp.microsoft.com runs GNU, so I
don't see the relevance of that.
> Atleast have the decency to quote offical material.
The wiki seems to be official material. I'm not exactly happy
with that, so I quoted another, which was deleted unmarked.
It's much more substantial than anything quoted to support the
allegations against debian.
> > Of course debian supports non-free software.
> And recommend its usage. We agree. Great.
No, debian does not recommend or depend on non-free software.
(debian-policy s2.2.1, yet again)
> > GNU supports non-free software, although I expect the GNU project
> > tells you not to use it. Can a product condone something?
> You make silly claims without fact again and again, it is boring.
> Shove proof. Where does GNU support non-free software?
Anywhere where non-free software for GNU is run. Odd question.
> > > equally bad in this regard, since both contain non-free software.
> > Sorry, that's incorrect. Get yourself a CD of the official release
> > and try to find any.
> What the CD's contain isn't relevant. It is the action of Debian that
The CDs are debian. They are the ultimate action of the debian project.
> I'd go on an equal rampage if the FSF started doing the same.
I somewhat doubt it, but I hope we never find out.
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