Improving copyright
Niall Douglas
s_fsfeurope2 at nedprod.com
Fri May 14 19:26:54 UTC 2004
On 14 May 2004 at 19:22, João Miguel Neves wrote:
> > Which is precisely the same logic why people continue to use
> > Windows. Unless there's an obvious and compelling reason to change,
> > the incumbant has a major advantage.
> >
> Fortunately those reasons are appearing and growing (viruses and
> license restrictions).
On a technical level, Windows should be more secure than Linux as it
uses a fine-grained ACL security system. Unfortunately "should" isn't
"is" :(
Both systems are equally broken with respect to good security. See
http://www.eros-os.org/
> There are some developments like the ndis wrapper driver (which I
> think is a bad idea, but we obviously have very different views on how
> quick users can drop a platform).
Techie types can drop platforms pretty quickly but non-techies will
put up with surprisingly large amounts of pain before they'll change.
If you feel out of your depth about something, you'll tend to
overvalue the familiar - it's why many MacOS fans are so diehard
about the issue.
> > 2. Few Windows games will run under WINE. And this is unlikely to
> > change as DirectX demands a certain driver architecture Linux isn't
> > moving towards.
>
> You do now that there is a DirectX implementation of Wine and that the
> latest work in X.org is improving in taking advantage of the hardware.
Absolutely. However unless they implement binary compatibility with
Windows graphics card drivers they are dowsing a fire with petrol.
Graphics cards evolve so fast even Microsoft has trouble keeping
DirectX up with them.
As I mentioned before, the Linux driver model isn't the Windows one
by any measure. Therefore to use Windows drivers they'd have to do
quite a lot of emulation which attracts a heavy speed penalty. Not
what gamers want!
> > 3. No matter how wonderful WINE becomes, running Windows
> > applications under it will always be a bit of a black art. Most
> > people just want to shove in the CD and make it go. This is why
> > Linux is unsuited to replace Windows in non-server arenas
> >
> I don't get why this is impossible? Binfmt and things like nautilus
> together with wine can do that behaviour without any problems. I don't
> understand why you say it isn't possible.
Are you seriously claiming that Joe Soap who doesn't even know what a
command line is will ever be able to run Windows binaries
transparently on any Linux ever?
Of course it can be done - like Apple did for legacy MacOS app
support. But it's very tough - like pushing square pegs into round
holes. And far more effort than simply cloning Windows. If you want a
comparator, look at cygwin on Win32 - nearly a Unix environment, but
no Joe Soap will ever be able to run an unmodified Linux binary on
Windows via cygwin.
> > > And why do you think reactos will go further
> > > than wine on implementing win32?
> >
> > Actually ReactOS incorporates WINE, they simply provide a "native"
> > implementation layer - instead of calling Linux functions, they call
> > reimplementations of the NT kernel API.
>
> So they'll also have to help develop DirectX for Wine to that. Nice to
> know...
It certainly is most interesting. I see no point in upgrading from
Win2k ever except I have the horrible feeling MS will make the newest
MSVC require a newer version. If I could break from MS operating
systems I would.
Cheers,
Niall
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