Very Worried at MS .net

John Peter Tapsell tapselj0 at
Fri Jul 20 13:31:59 UTC 2001


You are totally correct - At the time I was thinking Java in the web front end,
to the internet.
I take back my point ;)


On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, you wrote:
> >  Java is dead.  MS killed it, and are being sued for it - but it was
> >worth the
> >  suing.  (/me is thinking of MS's java version that was not cross
> >platform)
> >  JohnFlux
> What a load of crap. try looking for jobs in C++ and java in ComputerWeekly.
> a.) There are over 4 times as many java jobs as c++ (including the subset
> visual c++).
> b.) java jobs pay about double the c++ rate. (GBP 50k versus GBP 25k).
> Visual Basic is much the
> same level as Visual C++.
> c.) There are about infinity percent more java jobs than C sharp/.NET (do a
> search)
> which is complete vapourware in the sense nothing has been deployed, there
> are no systems
> in the field.
> Technical notes:
> 1. java is used just about everywhere XML is used.
> 2. java does not have to be slow, or have anything to do with JVM - you can
> compile native
> with Visual Age Java, GCJ (gnu C++ modified), and many many other java
> compilers.
> 3. Programming in Java, by my own metrics is 3 times as productive as C++.
> 4. SOAP (one of the technologies associated with ".net" is just XML in a
> HTTP GET which is
> trivial and hardly worth being called a technology).
> 5. The real home of XML for the enterprise is nothing to do with Microsoft,
> it is mainly IBM
> technology, all released through Apache type licenses if not GPL. Look for
> Apache project - Tomcat (Java Servlet container), Xerces (parser), Xalan
> (XSLT), FOP (formatting objects),
> Cocoon (JSP servlet), and SOAP (ignored until IBM jumped in), and the
> incredible ANT (XML make utility
> with which you can perform incredible gymnastics - especially when tied to
> XSL).
> On what basis did you base your opinion that Java was dead, when there are
> more java programmers in the world
> than any other type of programmer? Please note programmers working on Off
> the shelf programs represent a
> small minority. Most work in customisation/services.
> Jeff Davies
"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too
young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or
15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when
they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin

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