Dear wiki care takers,
I have a question about the creation of wiki pages.
I tried to create a new page without a template and it says that it is not allowed. Is there a way to resolve this?
By the way, my page does not belong in the already existing categories.
Thank you for your time and help!
Best regards, Olga
Hi Olga,
I tried to create a new page without a template and it says that it is not allowed. Is there a way to resolve this?
Whether you use a template or not should not make a difference. Which page did you try to create?
By the way, my page does not belong in the already existing categories.
It is up to you to decide which categories to use. Pages don't have to belong to any category...
Johannes
Hi Johannes,
thank you for your immediate response!
On 04.08.2016 20:21, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
I tried to create a new page without a template and it says that it is not allowed. Is there a way to resolve this?
Whether you use a template or not should not make a difference. Which page did you try to create?
I wanted to create the page "EU Microsoft contracts". It did not work, so I created the wiki page under the Migrated (it was possible to create it there and it seemed ok, since it didn't fit in any other existing category). Do you know how I can create pages which do not fall under any broader category, without having to create them under Migrated, for example?
Thank you a lot! Best, Olga
Hello Olga,
I wanted to create the page "EU Microsoft contracts". It did not work, so I created the wiki page under the Migrated (it was possible to create it there and it seemed ok, since it didn't fit in any other existing category).
Ok, I see your problem now. What you call a category is called a namespace in "our" terminology. Namespaces are mostly like folders in the filesystem. In MoinMoin categories are orthogonal to namespaces: a page always belongs to exactly one namespace[1], but can have any number of categories (those "Category/Foo" entries in the last line of the page.
[1] in your case, the root/global namespace.
Do you know how I can create pages which do not fall under any broader category, without having to create them under Migrated, for example?
When we reorganized the wiki this year, we decided not to have pages in the global namespace - formerly there have been many pages that had no real connection to anything else on the wiki. Now only the wiki admin can create global pages.
For your case, I see several options:
a) If the page documents "projects, campaigns and various public activities of the FSFE and its Fellows.", put it in the namespace "Activities" Eventually, all advocacy work should go here as well, but we didn't have time yet to reorganize the "Advocacy" namespace.
a1) If the page is background info regarding some project, reflect this in the wiki name. E.g. if you are planning a campaign "Free Government" that aims to reduce the influence of proprietary software companies on politics, and your page "EU Microsoft contracts" is for this campaign, you should call it:
Activities/FreeGovernment/EUMicrosoftContracts
Ideally, you would also create "Activities/FreeGovernment" and give some general information on the campaign and a link to the subpage.
b) Have the page as subpage to your local group page or to a Team page →This is good for pages that really have nowhere else to go. The advantage to having it in the global namespace is that one immediately knows who to contact if one has questions regarding the page (e.g. "is this still relevant?")
c) If really no namespace works for you, propose a new namespace and discuss it on wikicaretakers@
HTH, Johannes
Hey Johannes,
On 05.08.2016 17:04, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
Ok, I see your problem now. What you call a category is called a namespace in "our" terminology. Namespaces are mostly like folders in the filesystem. In MoinMoin categories are orthogonal to namespaces: a page always belongs to exactly one namespace[1], but can have any number of categories (those "Category/Foo" entries in the last line of the page.
[1] in your case, the root/global namespace.
When we reorganized the wiki this year, we decided not to have pages in the global namespace - formerly there have been many pages that had no real connection to anything else on the wiki. Now only the wiki admin can create global pages. c) If really no namespace works for you, propose a new namespace and discuss it on wikicaretakers@
I am really grateful for your comprehensive answer.
Have a nice weekend, Olga
Hi Johannes,
Johannes Zarl-Zierl jzarl@fsfe.org writes:
It is up to you to decide which categories to use. Pages don't have to belong to any category...
It's been a while since I had time to update the wiki, but if a page does not fit into a category, shouldn't we find a new category? Otherwise, there will be tons of pages again at some point that are hard to find because they cannot be seen in overview pages for a category you would expect them in. At least in the beginning, we said each page should belong to at least one category. Has this changed or am I misremembering it?
Happy hacking! Florian
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:24:36AM +0200, Florian Snow wrote:
Johannes Zarl-Zierl jzarl@fsfe.org writes:
It is up to you to decide which categories to use. Pages don't have to belong to any category...
It's been a while since I had time to update the wiki, but if a page does not fit into a category, shouldn't we find a new category? Otherwise, there will be tons of pages again at some point that are hard to find because they cannot be seen in overview pages for a category you would expect them in. At least in the beginning, we said each page should belong to at least one category. Has this changed or am I misremembering it?
your mixing up Categories with tose-we-have-no-consistent-name-for. The Namespaces/Sections.
We can always make up new namespaces if required, e.g. as we did with HowTos, but we shouldn't have too many small ones, a Misc Section should serve indexing and ordering purpose if in doubt.
Categories on the other hand, those things that are linked to at the bottom of an article, are free fire for Wiki authors. A look at http://wiki.fsfe.org/Category _should_ prevent conflicts, but I expect that CareTakes will need to tidy this up from time to time.