Hi all,

* Jan-Hendrik HennR Peters hennr@fsfe.org [2010-07-29 00:25:25 +0200]:

gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:

http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php

Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.

I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.

What do others think about that?

Henner, as MJR proposed yap, you could explain him the problem. He often has good connections to developers and might be able to solve the problem.

Best wishes, Matthias

On Wednesday 18 August 2010 17:37:50 Jan-Hendrik "HennR" Peters wrote:

On 16.08.2010 12:48, Matthias Kirschner wrote:

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Hi all,

• Jan-Hendrik HennR Petershennr@fsfe.org [2010-07-29 00:25:25

+0200]:

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gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:

http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php

Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.

I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.

What do others think about that?

Henner, as MJR proposed yap, you could explain him the problem. He often has good connections to developers and might be able to solve the problem.

Hi Matze.

You should have come with that idea before I deleted all links from all sites...

I asked and got no response for 6 days.

Well, my opinion should be clear on this, YAP is not useful for 99% of our visitors. Anyway, if anyone else thinks it's worth the time to contact the YAP admins, he can do that and roll back my changes via svn.

I agree that yap is not useful. However I think we should develop some clear guidelines as to which readers we list and which ones we don't.

Maybe we can add a section to the about page, that reads something like this:

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Criteria

If you have come about a PDF-Reader that is not yet listed and would like us to add it, please let us know. Note that we require the following:

1) The PDF-Reader itself must be Free Software[link] and may not depend on Non-Free Software for basic functionality. In particular the component for rendering PDF must be Free Software. ¹

2) The PDF-Reader must provide basic functionality and usability to the expected visitor of PDFReaders.org, i.e. it should be available in an easy-to-use and easy-to-install manner for at least one commonly used Operating System (GNU/Linux, *BSD, [Open]Solaris, Windows, MacOS X).

3) PDFReaders.org currently focuses on the Desktop/Workstation/Laptop- platform (not mobile platforms or web-based applications), so the PDF- Reader must be available for at least one of these.

¹ E.g. Skim[link] does not meet this criterium.

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What do you think?

On Wednesday 18 August 2010 20:50:53 Jan-Hendrik "HennR" Peters wrote:

Hi Hannes.

On 18.08.2010 21:57, Hannes Hauswedell wrote:

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Criteria

... it should be available in an

easy-to-use and easy-to-install manner

Which includes yap or not?

yap is not available in an easy-to-install manner for a major OS, so its not included. Or did I miss sth?

I'm fine with these criteria at all but think that we could link mobiles viewers as well if there are any. IPhone and Android phones are getting more popular every day and we should serve such users as well.

We should seriously consider that, but since that requires more work, it is step 2, I think. (I also think there is lots of discussion there, I for one would rather tell all iPhone users to get different hardware altogether -- even if you had the code to some iphone-pdfreader you could no excercise the freedoms since you are bound to the app-store).