I've now fixed the bugs that made the errors when generating webpages, which means that we will shortly be able to have them generated and uploaded directly from the SVN.
However, I thought I'd update with the adjustments that we have discussed and/or received feedback on. While it seems that the exact policy for including readers with proprietary libraries needs to be discussed further by team@, we can probably use common sense and the guidelines we more or less have agreed upon until that has been resolved.
The proposed changes are:
* Highlight "recommended" readers. - With a light green background? - Only for Win/Mac? - Only one reader for each? - We should probably come up with some text to explain how it works.
* Remove footnote #[2]
* Change Sumatra download link to point directly to the exe file. - I don't think this is a good idea as long as the exe file name includes the version number.
* Add more readers - ePDFview (I think all agreed to add this one) - BePDF (the same goes for this) - Vindaloo (I don't think we discussed this one. It's also runs natively on Mac and it would be nice with a contender for Skim)
* Add page about PDF and Open Standards - I'm still working on this and will probably not be able to finish it this week.
* Anything I have forgotten?
Hi Stian,
Stian Rødven Eide schrieb:
- Highlight "recommended" readers.
- With a light green background?
Would be OK for me, and maybe a bold font?
- Only for Win/Mac?
Hmm, GNOME/XFCE/GTK: evince, KDE/QT: Okular, but how to make that clear in a short way.
- We should probably come up with some text to explain how it works.
How what works?
- Remove footnote #[2]
Yes.
- Change Sumatra download link to point directly to the exe file.
Oh No. Why should we want to do so? I thought that we want to link to the project websites.
From HennR, 2009-02-11:
- Highlight "recommended" readers.
- With a light green background?
Would be OK for me, and maybe a bold font?
- Only for Win/Mac?
Hmm, GNOME/XFCE/GTK: evince, KDE/QT: Okular, but how to make that clear in a short way.
- We should probably come up with some text to explain how it works.
How what works?
The recommendation system. Example: "The table cells with a green background and bold font indicates that a reader is recommended." (Though preferably something better than that). If we also wish to recommend readers for Free OS's, we need to explain that as well.
- Change Sumatra download link to point directly to the exe file.
Oh No. Why should we want to do so? I thought that we want to link to the project websites.
It was suggested on the basis of making assumptions about windows users; that they might be unable to press the correct link once on Sumatra's download page. Note that the suggestion only applies to the "Download" link and not to the project link. I do however think that it shouldn't be a problem to leave it as it is, as the Sumatra download page looks fairly straightforward.
all the best. /Stian
Hi Stian.
Stian Rødven Eide schrieb:
- We should probably come up with some text to explain how it works.
How what works?
The recommendation system. Example: "The table cells with a green background and bold font indicates that a reader is recommended." (Though preferably something better than that). If we also wish to recommend readers for Free OS's, we need to explain that as well.
OK.
It was suggested on the basis of making assumptions about windows users; that they might be unable to press the correct link once on Sumatra's download page.
OK, I see.
Maybe it's however a good idea to have a direct link to the exe.
I forgot that we have another link to the project site itself.
I will contact the author and ask him if he could provide a link that always links to the latest file.
Greetings
HennR
From Stian Rødven Eide, 2009-02-10:
The proposed changes are:
Highlight "recommended" readers.
- With a light green background?
- Only for Win/Mac?
- Only one reader for each?
- We should probably come up with some text to explain how it works.
Remove footnote #[2]
Change Sumatra download link to point directly to the exe file.
- I don't think this is a good idea as long as the exe file name includes
the version number.
- Add more readers
- ePDFview (I think all agreed to add this one)
- BePDF (the same goes for this)
- Vindaloo (I don't think we discussed this one. It's also runs natively
on Mac and it would be nice with a contender for Skim)
- Add page about PDF and Open Standards
- I'm still working on this and will probably not be able to finish it
this week.
- Anything I have forgotten?
It seems one more thing showed up. As you probably noticed it was suggested by Gervase Markham, and echoed by Rainer, that we change "please contact us" to something like "please contact us at feedback@pdfreaders.org", i.e. making it more visible that it actually is a contact link. Do you all agree that this is a good idea?
We should also reply to Gervase, but I'm not really sure what we should say. As was the conclusion of our previous discussion, "usability" is secondary to having sufficient and correct information and it is not a goal in itself to have people "automatically" installing *any* free reader. Is this something that we can state publicly and give as an answer to people who ask about these issues?
all the best, /Stian
Hi Stian.
Stian Rødven Eide schrieb:
It seems one more thing showed up. As you probably noticed it was suggested by Gervase Markham, and echoed by Rainer, that we change "please contact us" to something like "please contact us at feedback@pdfreaders.org", i.e. making it more visible that it actually is a contact link. Do you all agree that this is a good idea?
Yes, good idea!
We should also reply to Gervase, but I'm not really sure what we should say. As was the conclusion of our previous discussion, "usability" is secondary to having sufficient and correct information and it is not a goal in itself to have people "automatically" installing *any* free reader. Is this something that we can state publicly and give as an answer to people who ask about these issues?
I tend to say yes.
I contacted the author of sumatra, and it seems that he think if we link to the exe instead of his project page that we don't respect his "hard work". That's what he said.
I will write him a last time, being aware of his feelings, I will be careful.
Greetings
HennR
On Friday, 13. February 2009 07:36:06 HennR wrote:
Hi Stian.
Stian Rødven Eide schrieb:
It seems one more thing showed up. As you probably noticed it was suggested by Gervase Markham, and echoed by Rainer, that we change "please contact us" to something like "please contact us at feedback@pdfreaders.org", i.e. making it more visible that it actually is a contact link. Do you all agree that this is a good idea?
Yes, good idea!
We should also reply to Gervase, but I'm not really sure what we should say. As was the conclusion of our previous discussion, "usability" is secondary to having sufficient and correct information and it is not a goal in itself to have people "automatically" installing *any* free reader. Is this something that we can state publicly and give as an answer to people who ask about these issues?
I tend to say yes.
I contacted the author of sumatra, and it seems that he think if we link to the exe instead of his project page that we don't respect his "hard work". That's what he said.
I will write him a last time, being aware of his feelings, I will be careful.
We are already linking to the project page. We are discussing whether the DOWNLOAD-link refers to the download-page or directly to the DOWNLOAD.
I don't see that this could insult anyone or that we should need to ask someone on our policies regarding this decision.
Regards, Hannes
hi Hannes,
* Hannes Hauswedell hannes@fsfe.org [2009-03-01 22:58:54 +0100]:
I don't see that this could insult anyone or that we should need to ask someone on our policies regarding this decision.
I also agree.
Best wishes, Matthias
From Matthias Kirschner, 2009-03-11:
- Hannes Hauswedell hannes@fsfe.org [2009-03-01 22:58:54 +0100]:
I don't see that this could insult anyone or that we should need to ask someone on our policies regarding this decision.
I also agree.
So do I. However, since we already asked the Sumatra guy, and he said no, I think it wouldn't be polite to go ahead against his clearly expressed wishes.
/Stian
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Datum: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:28 +0100 Von: "Stian Rødven Eide" stian@fsfeurope.org An: pdfreaders@lists.fsfe.org Betreff: Re: A list of proposed updates
From Matthias Kirschner, 2009-03-11:
- Hannes Hauswedell hannes@fsfe.org [2009-03-01 22:58:54 +0100]:
I don't see that this could insult anyone or that we should need to
ask
someone on our policies regarding this decision.
I also agree.
So do I. However, since we already asked the Sumatra guy, and he said no, I think it wouldn't be polite to go ahead against his clearly expressed wishes.
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