Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah(a)jeremiahfoster.com>
> Date: August 3, 2007 1:53:35 PM GMT+02:00
> To: Svenska Linuxföreningens diskussionslista
> <diskussion(a)lists.se.linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [diskussion] Promotion of Free Software Day among
> students of SU
> Reply-To: Svenska Linuxföreningens diskussionslista
> <diskussion(a)lists.se.linux.org>
>
> Excellent. This is a great idea, though I doubt you will find many
> Free Software Geeks interested in playing soccer, although Henrik
> Sandklef would be a notable exception. :)
>
> First, some other resources for your work:
>
> 1. Wikpedia free software portal for Sweden: use it! love it! knit
> it a sweater!
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
>
> 2. The Free Software Foundation Europe: They have a mailing list
> for Sweden:
> http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-se/
>
> Second, keep up the good work!
>
> Jeremiah
>
> On Aug 3, 2007, at 10:52 AM, CTVN wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are a student association at Stockholm university and one of
>> our goals is to promote open source among students. In this
>> respect, we made a simple thesis template, a video tutorial on how
>> to use it and we give once in a while a crash course on how to
>> customize the thesis template (see links below).
>>
>> Regarding the Free Software Day, we can offer a promotion channel
>> to reach students at Stockholm university. In particular, we can
>> offer in relation to the Free software day:
>>
>> 1) advertising space to promote the Free Software day on our KF
>> announcement board (right in front of main SU library)
>> 2) access to a well equipped lecture room at SU for a presentation/
>> lecture on a topic that is of interest to students from SU
>> 3) participation in the ProFun games (with soccer) to promote
>> Linux Sweden/Free Software day among sport loving students (e.g.
>> team Linux Sweden wearing t-shirts with the logo of Linux Sweden
>> or the Free software day >>> participants should be students from
>> either KTH or SU because the university pays for the hours at the
>> sports facility)
>>
>> (possibly, depending on the deadline) 4) announcement of the event
>> in Gaudeamus (the official student magazine delivered to the homes
>> of people)
>>
>> The proposals above are the things that we can offer at any rate.
>> If you have other ideas how we can help, dont hesitate to come
>> forward.
>>
>>
>> Relevant Links:
>>
>> Thesis Template tutorial: http://www.vodes.net/rev/en/Open-Source/
>> OO-Course/OpenOffice-Thesis-Template/
>> Thesis template: http://www.vodes.net/rev/option,com_docman/
>> task,doc_download/gid,3/Itemid,84/
>> Other video tutorials: http://www.vodes.net/rev/en/Open-Source/OO-
>> Course/OpenOffice-Tutorials/
>>
>> Please help us make better tutorials and provide us with some
>> feedback (what is good; what is bad; what should be included) on
>> the BT forum: http://www.vodes.net/rev/btforum/index.php?topic=157.0
>>
>>
>> ProFun Games: http://www.vodes.net/rev/en/PFG/PFG_GEN/PFG_GEN_EN/
>> ProFun Games Videos: http://www.vodes.net/rev/en/Videos/PFG/
>> stockholmvideos/
>>
>>
>>
>> If there is interest, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Core Team VN
>>
>> Stockholms Universitets Studentkar
>> Box 50006
>> 10405 Stockholm
>> Sweden
>>
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Hej,
som en del av den svenska delen av SELF har vi lovat IIS att vi ska ta
fram en guide till Thunderbird för att få fler personer att använda det.
Jag har nu, inspirerad av en artikelserie från Open Source Articles samt
manualerna till OOo, svängt ihop en guide "Kom igång med Thunderbird"
som kanske är en bra början.
Dokumentet är ganska stort då det innehåller en hel del bilder, så jag
slängde upp länkar till det på min blogg, ifall någon vill titta på det:
http://www.coyote.org/2007/07/05/kom-igang-med-thunderbird/
--
Jonas Öberg
Free Software Foundation Europe ( Join the Fellowship )
Tel. +46-31-780 21 61 Mob. +46-733 423 962 ( http://fsfe.org )
För kännedom :-)
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Subject: Six questions to national standardisation bodies
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:19:20 +0200
From: Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)gnu.org>, Georg Greve <greve(a)fsfeurope.org>
To: discussion(a)fsfeurope.org
[
http://www.fsfe.org/fellows/greve/freedom_bits/six_questions_to_national_st…
]
Six questions to national standardisation bodies
Tuesday 26 June 2007
It seems that many people have been confused by Microsoft's attempt
at trying to portray MS-OOXML as an Open Standard, which includes
methods such as paying bloggers to manipulate Wikipedia or trying
to confuse people about competition on the basis of a common
standard, which is generally good for competition, vs competition
of multiple standards, which is generally bad for competition.
Since this confusion exists in many national standardisation
bodies, it is not surprising to also find it on the net and in
various online sources. If they are not outright manipulated, that
is. So it comes as no surprise that journalists have a hard time to
see through the smoke, and not everyone does as good a job as the
Neue Zürcher Zeitung (NZZ).
We therefore decided that it was time to help people working with
the national standardisation bodies and journalists inform others
about the issues in a way that would not require more than 5-10
minutes on the receiving end. The result has just gone online: Six
questions to national standardisation bodies by the Free Software
Foundation Europe (FSFE), also available in a PDF for pretty
printing. These six questions, namely
1. Application independence?
2. Supporting pre-existing Open Standards?
3. Backward compatibility for all vendors?
4. Proprietary extensions?
5. Dual standards?
6. Legally safe?
raise issues that every national standardisation body should have
satisfactory answers for, otherwise it must vote No in the ISO/IEC
process and request that Microsoft incorporate its work on MS-OOXML
into ISO/IEC 26300:2006, the Open Document Format (ODF).
In order to counter the misinformation that is currently floating
around on the net it is important to spread the word far and make
sure that these six questions are submitted to every single
national standardisation body and used as widely as possible to
inform people in politics and media.
In case you want to link the page, you can use this button
http://fsfeurope.org/graphics/msooxml_small.png
to link to the page, which exists in two versions:
* 250x98 pixel version, code:
<a href="http://fsfeurope.org/documents/msooxml-questions"
border="0"><img
src="http://fsfeurope.org/graphics/msooxml_small.png" /></a>
* 500x195 pixels version, code:
<a href="http://fsfeurope.org/documents/msooxml-questions"
border="0"><img src="http://fsfeurope.org/graphics/msooxml.png"
/></a>
Please help us spread the word.
--
Jonas Öberg
Free Software Foundation Europe ( Join the Fellowship )
Tel. +46-31-780 21 61 Mob. +46-733 423 962 ( http://fsfe.org )
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Hejsan,
FSFE anordnar en sommarträff på ITUniversitetet (Lindholmen[1]). Vi
tänkte förena nytta med nöje och har för att underlätta detta satt upp
ett litet schema.
17.00 - 18.30 FSFE informerar om aktiviteter och vad vi gjort
* Fellowship
* GPLv3
* SELF
* EU
* Kommentarer kring rms2007.se
18.30 - 19.00 Frågor etc
19.00 - xx.xx Vi går ut mot kajkanten och fortsätter
diskussionen där samt äter mat.
Är det något du saknar i någon av delarna av schemat, vill du bjuda in
en föreläsare från en annan grupp/förening?
Hör av dig till sandklef(a)fsfeurope.org
För att kunna planera så bra som möjligt ber vi dig att anmäla dig
till sandklef(a)fsfeurope.org.
Mvh Christof Thim, Henrik Sandklef och Jonas Öberg
[1] ITUniversitetet (Lindholmen), Hus Svea (våning 4),
http://www.ituniv.se/images/karta_it3.gif
- --
Christof Thim
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Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org)
Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org)
What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info)
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The MS message: Time to invest in Free Software
In an attempt to inspire fear, uncertainty and doubt in the hearts of
the financial world, Microsoft alledged massive patent infringement by
Free Software in a recent Fortune article. [1]
According to Microsoft the Linux kernel violates 42 patents, Free
Software graphical user interfaces violate 65 patents, OpenOffice.org
productivity suite violates 45 patents, Free Software email clients
infringe 15 patents and other unspecified Free Software programs
infringe 68 patents.
On the grounds of these hitherto unsubstantiated claims, Microsoft now
seeks to cash in on the work of all the companies and developers that
earn their living through Free Software.
"Microsoft has built an empire in which it benefits from every
transaction. It can bolster and break companies at will and each and
every inhabitant of their world needs to financially pledge their
allegiance in certain intervals," explains Georg Greve, FSFE's
president. "Now that they are losing market share to a free market
economy built on Free Software, they again try to impose their vig on
the work of others."
"This is a good example of the impact of software patents. The main
effect of such patents is not innovation, but monopolisation and
establishing a licence to sue, or at least to slander," comments
Shane Coughlan, FSFE's coordinator for legal activities. "Unfortunately
Novell has given these ludicrous claims false credibility by entering
into an agreement with Microsoft, and paying Microsoft for a promise
not to sue its customers."
FSFE lawyer Carlo Piana continues: "I understand why Microsoft insists
on the Novell deal, but it is not a reliable example. If one examines
the recent history of the agreements between the two companies,
Microsoft does not seem to be the one selling something. Two years
ago Microsoft convinced Novell to withdraw antitrust claims against
Microsoft, and thus its support to the European Commission [2], for
monetary compensation. On the most recent deal the money apparently
went in the same direction. Paying your infringer nearly one billion
dollars in two years is quite an odd way to show reliance on your
patents portfolio."
Novells CEO, Ron Hovsepian, has indeed published a letter [3] in which
he contradicts Microsofts claims about violation of software patents
in Free Software. But since Microsoft paid good money for the deal
they apparently wanted some return on their investment and they
selected FUD.
"Companies that sign up with Novell as a result of this deal are
wasting their shareholders' money. There is no substance to these
claims, and no need to pay anything to Microsoft to use a system that
Microsoft had no part in," explains Georg Greve, FSFE president.
"If there is a lesson to be learned from this, it is that Microsoft is
getting desparate and does not know how to counter Free Software with
innovation," continues Greve. "This is a good proof of the business
success of Free Software, which is extremely stable not only
technologically, but also legally. So if you are a smart financial
analyst, this is the time to invest in Free Software."
About the Free Software Foundation Europe:
The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) is a non-profit
non-governmental organisation active in many European countries and
involved in many global activities. Access to software determines
participation in a digital society. To secure equal participation
in the information age, as well as freedom of competition, the Free
Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) pursues and is dedicated to the
furthering of Free Software, defined by the freedoms to use, study,
modify and copy. Founded in 2001, creating awareness for these
issues, securing Free Software politically and legally, and giving
people Freedom by supporting development of Free Software are
central issues of the FSFE.
[1]
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/
[2] http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/press-release/2005q4/000118.html
[3] http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html
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Jeremiah,
I've taken the liberty of posting this reply to both lists, and setting
the Reply-To to fsfe-se(a)fsfeurope.org which I think is a better place to
discuss the FSFE.
> Where are the minutes from the board meetings?
If you mean the minutes from the General Assembly, we file them
regularly with the court in Hamburg where the FSFE is registered.
> Where is the criteria for getting elected to country teams?
What happens generally is that one or more persons in a country team
raises the issue of inviting someone else to join the team, whom they
have presumably met and trust would be a useful addition to the team. If
the rest of the team agrees, then the coordinator of the team invites
that person to join.
> Where is the criteria for getting elected to the team?
This is similar to the country teams, but it is usually more strict.
More people in the core team have to know and trust the new person that
joins than in a country team.
> Is there a mission statement saying that regular votes are held for elected positions?
I don't understand what you mean by a "mission statement". The only
elected positions in the way you seem to think of them that we have is
the president, vice president and head of office. Those positions are
voted on by the General Assembly.
> What is the difference between the "GA" and the "Team"?
The General Assembly is the legal body responsible for the FSFE. The
core team is the executive arm of the GA and is lead by the president
and the vice president.
> In fact, the FSFE says they want a "structure that will allow transparency, plurality
> and participation." However what that means is unclear. For example, can any member
> become "President"?
Yes, any member can be elected for president. The members of the FSFE
gather every year at the assembly where they vote on president for two
year terms. This is in the FSFE constitution which you can find on our
web pages.
> For example, the last section called "Decision Processes" offers not one single
> concrete demonstration of which office makes executive descision, who is directly
> responsible for policy, or how that policy gets formed. It merely says things like;
I think this shows at a misunderstanding of how we work. Very, very
rarely do we take executive decisions. I think this happens only a
couple of times a year at most. The FSFE is governed by consensus: not
by executive decisions.
Your problem seems to be that you don't understand what consensus means.
In a consensus decision, there is no quorum, and no votes. There's
either consensus or there isn't. If there isn't, you discuss the issue
until you reach consensus.
> A simple, clear answer to those questions would server the fellows well. As it is it seems like
> FSFE is just an extension of the FSF designed to prevent a non-FSF group from co-opting or forming
> a group in Europe that might duplicate or obviate the FSF.
If you want to see a non-FSF group in Europe, I would suggest that you
found one. There are many non-FSF groups in Europe already, like the
FFII and EFF, working on areas that sometimes overlap, but I'm sure
there are room for more.
--
Jonas Öberg
Free Software Foundation Europe ( Join the Fellowship )
Tel. +46-31-780 21 61 Mob. +46-733 423 962 ( http://fsfe.org )
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Hej!
Jag skrev ihop ett litet referat ~4500 tecken ifrån gårdagen som jag
skickade till min hustidning. Så jag tänkte att listan kan få en kopia
med, har inte sett något officiellt ännu?
Leif-Jöran
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Fri programvarugrundaren fyllde Draken i Göteborg
Grundaren av Fri programvarurörelsen, FSF och Gnu, Richard Stallman, fyllde på ondagen biografen Draken i Göteborg till bristningsgräns vid sitt framträdanade ordnat av Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) och Göteborgs universitet. Vid videoskärmar i faojen följde utterligare intresserade det två timmar och fyrtiofem minuter långa föredraget.
Om åskådarna förväntat sej en fanatiker så överraskade Stallman med ett ytterst jovialiskt framträdande.
Microsoft, Apple och andra monopolistiska och proprietärprogramivrare fick sej rejäla kängor. Likaså USA:s president Bush, som genom sin administration utövade påtryckning på Microsoft för att införa en bakdörr så att USA:s regering skulle få tillträde till alla Windows-datorer i hela världen, vilken det därigenom skulle vara omoraliskt att rädda om han ramlat i vattnet och ropade på hjälp.
Microsofts övriga bakdörrar och spionerande på användarna i Windows belystes med flera upptäckta och konfirmerade exempel liksom i Windows Media Player. Apples iTunes och MacOS X fick även sina anti-användarbeteenden och begränsningar belysta. Google fick även det sitt för hanteringen av länkar som kopplas till person i Gmail och inlåsningen i Google Earth.
Skolor uppmanades att inte ge eleverna livslånga beroende av propritära program genom att ta emot donationer av eller använda subventionerade proprietära program. Bättre vore att endast använda Fri programvara för att gynna vetgiriga barns inlärning och en av grundskolans första uppgifter att lära barnen att dela med sej.
"Lär er säga Gnu/Linux det tar bara en sekund jämfört med att förklara filosofin bakom fri programvara vilket tar tio minuter", sade Stallman. Detta är det bästa sättet att ge uppmärksamhet åt friheten i Gnu.
Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) Har nu börjat fått så dåligt rykte att producenterna fundera på dett nytt namn för de användarfientliga aktiviteterna. Här kommer Microsoft Windows Vista som endast gör allt sämre i detta avseende in. Undvik för allt i världen Windows Vista. Se kampanjsidorna badvista.org och defectivebydesign.org för att förstå vad systemet gör mot dej, sade Stallman vidare.
När det gäller upphovsrätten hade Stallman två förslag: i) tio års upphovsrätt för konstnärligt och ideologiskt material, däremot tillåts fri icke-kommersiell distribution från första dagen. ii) En nätskatt för att gynna artister och andra kulturarbetare. För att vara bättre än dagen system som ger 96 procent av intäkterna till förlag och underhållningsindustri och endast genererar 1 dollar per år och innevånare (siffror för USA) åt kulturarbetarna behövs inte mycket. Skatten bör vara trafikbaserad men för att inte enbart gynna storsäljare görs den progressiv.
Till Piratpartiet hade Stallman två uppmaningar: För det första, byt namn, det kan ibland fungera att kasta tillbaka ordet pirat i ansiket på underhållningsindustrin, men i längden tär det på krafterna och ger ett underläge inför allmänheteten. Och för det andra, det viktigaste, gör förhållandet mellan fri pgrogramvara och proprietära program i partiprogrammet mindre ofördelaktigt för Fri programvara genom att tvinga propritära programmakare som distribuerar binära program att deponera källkoden hos staten för att sedan släppas fri efter fem år. Då ges lika villkor eftersom Fri programvara alltid släpps med källkoden tillgänglig.
Patent på programvara måste avvecklas. Gå inte på finten av lobby att användanda termen IP (intellectual property, immaterialrätt). "Detta görs enbart för att skapa oreda och osäkerhet", fortsatte Stallman. De lagstiftningsområden de försöker klumpa ihop är inte förenliga. Använd därför alltid direkt hänvisning till den lagstiftning i det frågan gäller.
Föredraget avslutades med att Stallman publikfriande klädde ut sej till helgon av Emacs-kyrkan och därefter svarade på frågor från publiken.
Slutorden från Stallman blev "Ge inte monopolen makt över ditt liv. Fly till friheten i Gnu!"
Leif-Jöran Olsson, Göteborg, 20070517
****
Huvudpunkterna i föredraget var:
* De fyra friheterna i Fri programvarulicensen GPL. Läs mer om detta på gnu.org.
* Skillnaden mellan frihet och makt.
* Skillnaden mellan Fri programvara (Free Software) och Öppen källkod (Open source). Dvs avsaknaden av etik i det senare som endast är inriktat på effektivitet och prestanda.
* Ge inte barnen i skolan livslånga beroenden av proprietära program, ge dem Fri programvara.
* Digital Restrictions Managenent (DRM) (se badvista.org och defectivebydesign.org)
* Förslag till Piratpartiet
* Mjukvarupatent (se playogg.org)
> > Tue, May 15, 2007 at 03:00:24PM +0200: Jonas Oberg mangled some bits into this alignment:
> >> Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> >>
> >>> - It needs more openness. Currently FLOSS is dominated by groups like FSFE and
> >>> the Swedish Linux Foreningen. These groups are closed - especially the FSFE.
> >> I doubt this is really the case. This seems akin to saying that politics
> >> is closed since not anyone can be in the government!
> >
> > I think that is specious. Yes both domains are self-selecting, i.e. you can
> > decide to be active and find a position in the domain. However the FSFE does not
> > have direct elections by its members, just a select few. This points to a lack of
> > openness. Contrast this position with debian where all that is required is
> > previous involvement with debian and then once you are inside debian _anyone_
> > can be elected leader.
>
>
> Getting inside Debian means you have to prove some kind of skill and a
> long term commitment. Not everyone who wants get in.
>
> Once inside Debian you'll have a vote.
>
> ... same applies to FSFE. ( s/Debian/FSFE/ )
Umm, you just repeated what I said. Here is my quote, verbatim:
> > Contrast this position with debian where all that is required is
> > previous involvement with debian and then once you are inside debian _anyone_
> > can be elected leader.
I will re-iterate: Lack of tranparency in proceedings of FSFE exists at nearly all levels.
Where are the minutes from the board meetings?
Where is the criteria for getting elected to country teams?
Where is the criteria for getting elected to the team?
Is there a mission statement saying that regular votes are held for elected positions?
What is the difference between the "GA" and the "Team"?
In fact, the FSFE says they want a "structure that will allow transparency, plurality
and participation." However what that means is unclear. For example, can any member
become "President"? If not, why not? When is the election? Who votes? If you have
answers to these questions they ought to be publically available.
Frankly the "Self-conception" page is vague, thereby thwarting any transparency.
For example, the last section called "Decision Processes" offers not one single
concrete demonstration of which office makes executive descision, who is directly
responsible for policy, or how that policy gets formed. It merely says things like;
"The people of the Free Software Foundation Europe believe in consensus. We always
seek to base our work on the consensus -- and sometimes compromise -- of our active members."
Frankly, this is not just redundant, but meaningless. Yes you want consensus - but what
quorum is required? Consensus amongst whom? Just the members or the GA? Is there a plurality
needed or can one person say "Nope, lets not sue Microsoft! I want out!"
A simple, clear answer to those questions would server the fellows well. As it is it seems like
FSFE is just an extension of the FSF designed to prevent a non-FSF group from co-opting or forming
a group in Europe that might duplicate or obviate the FSF.
Jeremiah
>
>
>
> About openness, here's some links:
>
> what we do
> - http://www.sweden.fsfeurope.org/projects/projects.en.html
>
> what money we spend
> - http://www.sweden.fsfeurope.org/about/funds/funds.en.html
>
> what you can do
> - http://www.sweden.fsfeurope.org/help/help.en.html
>
> what info do you miss on our pages?
>
>
> Instead of discussing FSFE here I suggest switching to the list:
>
> fsfe-se(a)fsfeurope.org
>
> ... I have forwarded your entire email to that list.
>
> /h
>
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