I was talking with Basil Cousins of OFE and some people from FFII today and it seems there is an accute need to do something before Feb 5th about MS's application to have OOXML approved as an ISO standard.
I'm merging information from many people and am trusting my sources, so excuse any errors I make and please correct me where you can.
The situation is that MS have gotten their document format approved by one standards group (ECMA or ECEA or something), but that group isn't very strict and mostly requires that the application is submitted in the correct manner and that the fees are attached.
Next, MS is going for ISO certification, which would be a serious certification and is important to public sector bodies and many large private sector ones. MS have a lot of influence over the various ISO committees and have applied for the approval to be done on a fast-track 6-month procedure.
It would be bad for MS's OOXML file format to be accepted as a standard because it's a huge spec of 6 or 7 thousand pages, and contains many requirements such as "behaviour must be the same as Word 97" (without saying what that Word 97 behaviour is, and of course we can't ever really know because we can't see the source). So OOXML is not a valid standard, and it could not be implemented by OpenOffice.org, or KWord, or Abiword, or Emacs.
I'm sure there are plenty of other nasties, and I've heard Groklaw has published some articles about these.
The structure of ISO is that they have a central committee plus "mirror committees" in the economically larger nations. Is there a relevent mirror committee in Ireland?
So we want ISO to take this off the fast-track procedure, and to do that we have to make the examiners aware that there are flaws and that people are paying attention to this, so the flaws can't be ignored.
I'm told that the most sure way to get it taken off the fast track procedure are to point out incompatibilities with existing ISO standards, and I'm told that the way MS's OOXML stores dates is one example since there is an ISO standard date format and MS's OOXML uses some other format.
It should be an easy do, but we have to do it. The probable course of action is an open letter like we used to send to the MEPs.
Anyone got knowledge of ISO procedures? Anyone got knowledge of ISO representation in Ireland? Anyone know of incompatibilities between OOXML and other ISO standards? Anyone got some very concise nasties about OOXML? Anyone got corrections to what I've heard/said?
On , January 24, 2007 at 20:42 +0000, Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
The situation is that MS have gotten their document format approved by one standards group (ECMA or ECEA or something), but that group isn't very strict and mostly requires that the application is submitted in the correct manner and that the fees are attached.
ECMA (and this characterisation is a bit unfair to them, though only a bit. The situation is apparently that the terms of reference for the committee were formulated so that they would basically have to approve the standard - their purpose was just to agree "a formal standard for office productivity applications [...] which is fully compatible with the Office Open XML Formats").
I'm sure there are plenty of other nasties, and I've heard Groklaw has published some articles about these.
http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections
The structure of ISO is that they have a central committee plus "mirror committees" in the economically larger nations. Is there a relevent mirror committee in Ireland?
I have seen (on the ILUG list) there are some people gathering contact information for the Irish body (I mentioned this in a mail to the IFSO committee earlier today, but was too busy to follow up with more detail to the fsfe-ie list).
Also, http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_Contacts#IRELAND_.28NSAI.29
Anyone got knowledge of ISO procedures?
This appears relevant: http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_at_JTC-1
Anyone got knowledge of ISO representation in Ireland?
Anyone know of incompatibilities between OOXML and other ISO standards? Anyone got some very concise nasties about OOXML?
Start with the grokdoc link above, specifically (for the first question) http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections#Ecma_376_contradicts_nume...
Cheers,