I've come up with a few ideas for a simple black-and-white logo for the IFSO. If anyone has any comments or preferences, e-mail me.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~cathalmcginley/logos.html
- Cathal.
Hey all, I prefer the contempory free form brushstroke version of IFSO. My own idea for a logo was to replace the harp on the back of a 20c coin with a GNU. Cathal raises some good reasons as to why we should not use a GNU and I think he is correct. -- Thank You, Aidan Delaney.
Reality is a virus.
Cathal raises some good reasons as to why we should not use a GNU and I think he is correct.
I think many of us reached the same conclusion. Pity, because I asked a cartoonist friend to sketch us up a Gnu playing an Irish harp and what he gave me is absolutely beautiful.
For a bit of fun, I thought I'd give the logo thing a go myself. Here is my effort: http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Malcolm.Tyrrell/ifso.png An alternative would be to colour the letters in shades of green (perhaps 40 shades?).
Before we decide, I think people should submit a few more proposals.
If you'd like to submit something anonymously, send it to me and I'll stick it up on my website for people to see.
Good luck,
Malcohol.
Quoting Cathal Mc Ginley cathalmcginley@eircom.net:
At the risk of lowering the tone of this discussion, I must confess that the "gnu playing harp" logo reminded me of this recent news item:
OK, to make a constructive comment too:
My initial thoughts were that Cathal's second logo (the celtic lettering with raised 'F') was the most pleasing, but the brush-strokes one is definitely growing on me. Could we put the "Irish Free Software Organisation" lettering in some modern all-caps font? Would it make the whole thing too tall if we wrote it in two lines underneath the "ifso", taking the full width? Hmm. I'm no graphic designer and trying to describe this in text is non-optimal. Maybe I'll break out a pen and have a quick play.
Ben.
The brush-stroke one is excellent.
adam
-----Original Message----- From: fsfe-ie-bounces@fsfeurope.org [mailto:fsfe-ie-bounces@fsfeurope.org]On Behalf Of Cathal Mc Ginley Sent: 23 February 2004 19:20 To: fsfe-ie@fsfeurope.org Subject: [Fsfe-ie] IFSO logo suggestions
I've come up with a few ideas for a simple black-and-white logo for the IFSO. If anyone has any comments or preferences, e-mail me.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~cathalmcginley/logos.html
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Dé Luan, 2004-02-23 ag 19:20, scríobh Cathal Mc Ginley:
I've come up with a few ideas for a simple black-and-white logo for the IFSO.
Here's my attempt at a simple logo: http://www.cs.tcd.ie/David.OCallaghan/images/ifso/
David
Hi,
I slapped together an Ogham* logo. It kinda turned out better than I expected, actually, if I do say so myself.
http://oldr.net/ifso_ogham_logo_proposal/
* Ogham is a strange old alphabet the Irish used to use, just in case you've never heard of it.
Hi List.
What can I write but Wow - you wouldn't believe the trouble I have back in my office to get any graphic let alone a range such as these.
Cathal Mc Ginley 23/02/04 19:20 wrote:
I've come up with a few ideas for a simple black-and-white logo for the IFSO. If anyone has any comments or preferences, e-mail me.
I think there are all just superb. Its einy, meany miny mo really. I'd plump for the swiggly one, but any would do.
For along time on our business site we hacked a script which interchanged CSS. Even though we were only 2/3 in number at that time, we had 10 or more CSS-templates which presented the same content. One I remember presented the text in a NS1 browser style ;) Mainly we all agreed on a dark background for screen radiation but our clients didn't like this so we did a load of CSS and let folk pick.
You'd have thought that would have been enough wouldn't you, but no. We then wrote another script to generate random CSS. Enough you would have thought; no another script to allow folk to mess around with the presentation to their hearts content.
If you think there is going to be any serious issue with deciding I can dig out these scripts, clear their use with all I think and hand them over. Just a thought.
Malcolm Tyrrell 24/02/04 15:09 wrote:
Cathal raises some good reasons as to why we should not use a GNU and I think he is correct.
I think many of us reached the same conclusion. Pity, because I asked a cartoonist friend to sketch us up a Gnu playing an Irish harp and what he gave me is absolutely beautiful.
For a bit of fun, I thought I'd give the logo thing a go myself. Here is my effort: http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Malcolm.Tyrrell/ifso.png An alternative would be to colour the letters in shades of green (perhaps 40 shades?).
Before we decide, I think people should submit a few more proposals.
If you'd like to submit something anonymously, send it to me and I'll stick it up on my website for people to see.
Good luck,
I think the colours would help. In black and white it is all gray and doesn't do the design justice. Personally i tend to chose landscape logos over portrait logos ... but this is mainly because I tend to think about designs which fit easily in to our house style.
Good luck to you aswell
David O'Callaghan 24/02/04 20:28 scríobh
Dé Luan, 2004-02-23 ag 19:20, scríobh Cathal Mc Ginley:
I've come up with a few ideas for a simple black-and-white logo for the IFSO.
Here's my attempt at a simple logo: http://www.cs.tcd.ie/David.OCallaghan/images/ifso/
David
Again I like this first of all because it is a landscape. Maybe I'd chose this one with the David Golden's Ogham logo as a suplimentry graphic. (I know that's not what it's meant for but all the same I think they go well in juxtaposition.)
David Golden 00:59 scríobh
Hi,
I slapped together an Ogham* logo. It kinda turned out better than I expected, actually, if I do say so myself.
http://oldr.net/ifso_ogham_logo_proposal/
- Ogham is a strange old alphabet the Irish used to use, just in case you've
never heard of it.
You read above how I'm trying to sneak this logo in :) (I think this one would be my sneaky favorite but I know I'd need to dig out the script to get this one approved by all)
What can you say. All the designs and work is just excellent. (I have no creative talent I am afraid so I tend to get a little superlative about Art work. Most of my design work was in reinforced concrete and is buried :( ... I never could convince anyone ever to take any interest in my elegant sewer structures ... just the name I think put folk off :(
Best regards
-- Adam
Thanks for all your comments about the proposed logos. It's also good to see some other logo suggestions appearing. I'll get back to the points some of you raised before commenting on the new suggestions.
Malcolm Tyrrell mentioned his cartoonist friend's sketch of the gnu and harp. Someone else suggested to me that this concept "could still be used as webpage clipart or something" - and I certainly agree. So by all means let us see the sketch.
Ben North wrote:
Could we put the "Irish Free Software Organisation" lettering in some modern all-caps font? Would it make the whole thing too tall if we wrote it in two lines underneath the "ifso", taking the full width?
I should have mentioned that I spent *no time at all* on figuring out an appropriate font, or worrying about the spacing. In fact, it's Sodipodi's default font, stretched to size by look of the eye. The main problem of spacing, I think, is that we absolutely *need* to keep the words 'Free Software' together, or the meaning gets lost; so the choices seem to be the way I have it now, or all on one line, perhaps below the logo, as David O'Callaghan suggests.
In fact, in recent days I've been putting together an IFSO letterhead with LaTeX, and in all cases the only successful strategy has been to have the organisation name completely separate from the logo, i.e. logo in the top left, name and motto stretching most of the way across the top to the right of the logo.
David O'Callaghan wrote:
The characters in the Celtic logo look a little mismatched, but I'm not a typographer so I can't be more specific.
The characters were all taken from a single page header, so they should match pretty much. Admittedly, the scan could have been sharper, and the potrace conversion more careful (woggly edges). And they were vertically and horizontally aligned by look of the eye. To be honest, the whole process was kind of sketchy, not intended as a final draft.
On to the new logos.
Malcolm Tyrrell's fractal-letter-style logo is a clever design, but doesn't seem to work very well on a letterhead, being of portrait orientation. Plus, it splits IFSO into IF SO which we probably want to avoid.
David Golden's ogham logo again is well designed, but I think is a bit *too* alien, and not representative enough.
David O'Callaghan's monospace font with the open type 'fs' is very compelling. The letters need to be a good bit closer together I feel, I've taken the liberty of doing this in my sample letterhead.
A picture of the three sample letterheads is available for your perusal at http://homepage.eircom.net/~cathalmcginley/3styles.png
Adam Moran's idea of a CSS switcher to try out the different logos on the website would be a great idea. http://www.csszengarden.com/ is one example of how this can be done, but if you just specify a list of 'alternate' style sheets (as mentioned in the css spec), any recent Mozilla or Konqueror browser should allow you to switch between them from the View/Use Style menu.
I myself am really torn between the three choices at the moment, but I suppose in reality this is a relatively trivial matter - and we can always change the logo later. And none of this work need go to waste: particular campaigns might require a particular style of logo for promotional material.
So lets not spend too much more time on this, I propose we choose a logo at the next meeting and just go with it. In the mean time there's plenty of real work to be done.
- Cathal.
Cathal Mc Ginley wrote:
A picture of the three sample letterheads is available for your perusal at http://homepage.eircom.net/~cathalmcginley/3styles.png
This document seems to be 404-ing at the moment :(
Adam Moran wrote:
Cathal Mc Ginley wrote:
A picture of the three sample letterheads is available for your perusal at http://homepage.eircom.net/~cathalmcginley/3styles.png
This document seems to be 404-ing at the moment :(
Thanks Adam, should be fixed now. Carelessness on my part, I'm afraid.