Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:52:30PM +0000, Jimmy O'Regan wrote:
And the FSF approve dodgy licenses like the APSL-2 and the Affero GPL, and release manuals with unremovable, invariant political essays and expect that people still consider the manual as a whole to be free. There is no longer One True Meaning of Free either.
As I mentioned in a part of my mail that you snipped, the GNU FDL is one issue where I disagree with FSF. I have discussed it with them, and there is disagreement over this within FSF, change is coming. I hope we can put more pressure on them to fix this if we speak with a unified voice (assuming there is consensus that this is a problem).
rms took part in a quite lengthy debate on debian-legal on this very issue; in short the invariant sections are here to stay, where they have been used.
The Affero GPL is a test-solution to the "webservices loophole" in the GNU GPL. This covers a valid part of copyright known as "public performance of a work". GPLv3 may contain a different solution.
Yeah, but in practise it boils down to being a restriction on the use of software.
The APSL-2 is indeed Free Software, but there are better FS licenses, so FSF say: "We recommend that you not use this license for new software that you write, but it is ok to use and improve the software released under this license." (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html)
If you have specific concerns with either license, I'd be happy to discuss them and possibly raise them with FSF if there is consensus that they are valid issues.
You can't please all the people all the time, etc.
We can get nothing done and sling mud about implementation details, or we can work to get Free Software into schools, non-profits, governments, and businesses and be ready to counter problematic EU legislation. I'll opt for the latter.
As I said, there's no One True Meaning of Free (the examples were meant merely as illustrations of this) - there are going to be squabbles no matter what. An organisation that sets out to promote only free software is going to face more difficulty than an organisation promoting open source, or an organisation promoting both; open source has mind share, and a larger amount of people willing to promote it.
If a set of common goals can be found, which people agree are important enough, then most people will be willing to toe a party line to achive them; and split hairs kept to a minimum. Aside from FS vs OSS, there's Linux vs GNU/Linux; [GNU/]Linux vs BSD etc. (If you can split atoms, it gives more ways to split hairs :) The goals you mentioned are important, and it should be easy enough to rally together several disparate groups around them.
A good related story to read is: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAIN...