From discussion-admin@fsfeurope.org Fri Jul 27 09:39:29 2001
unfortunately, this thread has developed in an unhappy way.
If you would say that it _started_ in an unhappy way, I could agree.
I tried my best to prevent the discussion to stay at a level that is biased by prejudices and far from reality. I hope that other people will follow my example.
Probably I am one of the guys you have talked about. One of those who were said to 'not trust BerliOS'. To my taste this term does not really express my point.
A note to make this discussion understandable for people outside your brain. Please don't use words like 'taste'. Statements with unprovable feelings are an improper way to run a discussion.
My feelings about BerliOS consist of two elements:
- I am of the free software camp, not the open source one.
If you constantly deviate from the main topic, it is hard to take you for serious. If you like to have such a discusion, go and find some people who are willing to do on a private base.
For the same reason, I removed the rest of this paragraph. If you really like to push free-software/open-software movement, you should not preach uncertainty.
- I recently discussed some technical and communication problems of BerliOS and even offered my help (on this list in correspondence with someone of the GMD/BerliOS circle). I got no answer, which might be by chance, but this actually dows downgrade BerliOS. (I asked for the direct contact to discuss critics to BerliOS; there seems to be no apropriate contact information on the BerliOS pages. Free software people don't like anonymity.)
Please keep with the truth! You did receive an answer but either did not read it or ignored it.
Fortunately this is easy to proove by reading:
http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2001-July/001353.html
Jörg
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 01:01:29PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
unfortunately, this thread has developed in an unhappy way.
If you would say that it _started_ in an unhappy way, I could agree.
it started with someone expressing his feelings and asking questions. I would not call that unhappy.
I tried my best to prevent the discussion to stay at a level that is biased by prejudices and far from reality. I hope that
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other people will follow my example.
it would further help a serious discussion if we all use a more friendly way in our language.
Probably I am one of the guys you have talked about. One of those who were said to 'not trust BerliOS'. To my taste this term does not really express my point.
A note to make this discussion understandable for people outside your brain. Please don't use words like 'taste'. Statements with unprovable feelings are an improper way to run a discussion.
If I express a feeling it is as much truth as any other opinion presented here. (btw, 'unprovable feelings' are an essential part of our being and they drive most of our activities.)
My feelings about BerliOS consist of two elements:
- I am of the free software camp, not the open source one.
If you constantly deviate from the main topic, it is hard to take you for serious. If you like to have such a discusion, go and find some people who are willing to do on a private base.
For the same reason, I removed the rest of this paragraph. If you really like to push free-software/open-software movement, you should not preach uncertainty.
Is this the way to seriously discuss matters? How can you ignore the arguments for my personal decision with just saying they are off-topic? I intentionally put the fs/oss argument in the first place because it is the base for my personal decision not to take BerliOS as development platform. I made this decision long before this thread started. I wanted to help BerliOS with letting them know about the reasons for my decision (something, marketing guys pay a lot for :-). Of course you have the right to not consider people like myself in your BerliOS plannings.
- I recently discussed some technical and communication problems of BerliOS and even offered my help (on this list in correspondence with someone of the GMD/BerliOS circle). I got no answer, which might be by chance, but this actually dows downgrade BerliOS. (I asked for the direct contact to discuss critics to BerliOS; there seems to be no apropriate contact information on the BerliOS pages. Free software people don't like anonymity.)
Please keep with the truth! You did receive an answer but either did not read it or ignored it.
Fortunately this is easy to proove by reading:
http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2001-July/001353.html
First, I don't like the language. Why do you call me a lyar in the first place and only then give the option that I haven't read it? Truth is, that I didn't realise the two lines (I was not cited with the corresponding questions which I scanned for). I am sorry for that. I will go and find out who was in the CC (unfortunately this is not available on the above web page).
Well, I guess that you are the contact. Due to your improper attacking of my person for expressing personal opinions I currently feel not motivated to support BerliOS by sending critics (hope you treat direct critics in a more friendly fashion than here on this list).
Jan