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Hi guys
I wanted to update you with regards the FAQ for giving talks about Free Software.
There is a new section on the fellowship site for advocacy. At the moment you'll find the English version of the FAQ there. We also have the FAQ in the following languages: - - German - - French - - Spanish - - Italian - - Bulgarian
Someone offered to do a Turkish translation and I'm waiting on that. I've also been cheeky and asked a Japanese friend to do a Japanese translation. Ditto Chinese Mandarin and Chinese Cantonese.
The translations of the FAQ are waiting on an update to the followship CMS board system to allow all the characters to display properly.
Now, regarding the advocacy section of the site: I want to add a lot more material there to help people spread the word about Free Software. Suggestions and material welcome!
Regards
Shane
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"Shane M. Coughlan" shane@shaneland.co.uk writes:
Suggestions and material welcome!
One idea is to maintain a list of recordings of free software talks. Listing to other people's talks is the second most valuable learning tool I've found for public speaking. (Actually giving talks is the number 1.)
This can take three forms:
1. A list of talk URLs+descriptions 2. A list of places to find existing lists 3. We could mirror whatever we can find, and distribute by BitTorrent
Examples of existing lists, mentioned in #2, are: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/ http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/francais/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#External_links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen#Video.2C_audio.2C_and_transcripts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig#Audio.2FVideo http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/barcelona-summaries
And then there some single talks floating around, such as: http://www.wsa-conference.org/video/greve.mov http://www.archive.org/download/Ifso_Federico_Heinz/20060429_FedericoHeinz_P...
....I'm not sure what the bandwidth situation is, or how much infrastructure any of those ideas would take - I'm just throwing ideas out.
Below is another list of recordings that I just stumbled on. The list is technical in focus, but there are some about freedom.
http://free-electrons.com/communaute/videos/community/videos/conferences http://free-electrons.com/communaute/videos/conferences/
I've put the whole list into this blog entry: http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/ciaran/weblog/buckets_of_free_software_advocacy_a...
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Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
Below is another list of recordings that I just stumbled on. The list is technical in focus, but there are some about freedom. http://free-electrons.com/communaute/videos/community/videos/conferences http://free-electrons.com/communaute/videos/conferences/ I've put the whole list into this blog entry: http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/ciaran/weblog/buckets_of_free_software_advocacy_a...
Excellent. Thanks Ciaran. I'll add this list to the advocacy section this week.
It's going to be exciting to populate the section with more material. I'm particularly looking forward to having material in several languages.
Shane
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"Shane M. Coughlan" shane@shaneland.co.uk writes:
It's going to be exciting to populate the section with more material.
Just dreaming... even better than a list of links to recordings would be a list of talks, where each talk has en entry such as:
Talk title: Main speaker(s): Other speakers: Slides/notes: Audio: Video: Transcript: Duration: Venue/host information: Date and time:
The easiest way to create and maintain this section would be to make it a wiki. There is a wiki being set up, but it's not ready yet.
More work to do is to think about the presentation. Some people would be happy with a plain, all-inclusive, list of 50 or 250 videos with the above information. Others won't like that the list includes talks which are not so good, and some others will not like that a quarter of the total will be near-duplicates (for example, Richard has 4 talks that he has given 100 times).
One improvement would be to add the ability to categorise the videos ("GPLv3", "software patents", "free software in public administration").
Another improvement would be to add a way to push the good videos to the top - maybe an rating system where people can give a score to each video (or two scores, one for content, one for recording quality).
What other things are possible?
Ciaran O'Riordan ha scritto:
Just dreaming... even better than a list of links to recordings would be a list of talks, where each talk has en entry such as:
Talk title: Main speaker(s): Other speakers: Slides/notes: Audio: Video: Transcript: Duration: Venue/host information: Date and time:
I would add: Language: Main topic (or Tag): this could solve the problem below
One improvement would be to add the ability to categorise the videos ("GPLv3", "software patents", "free software in public administration").
I don't know how difficult would be to implement it, but it could make sense to set it up as a database, according to the fields above, so that if i click on Main Speaker: Ciaran, i get a list of all the available material by Ciaran If i click on Audio: 44Khz, i get all the material which has such quality, and so on.
Another improvement would be to add a way to push the good videos to the top
- maybe an rating system where people can give a score to each video (or two
scores, one for content, one for recording quality).
This would be nice
Hi,
I would add: Language: Main topic (or Tag): this could solve the problem below
License:
And probably think about metatags in audio/video files (like ID3 for MP3/Vorbis). And perhaps Dublin Core metatags in each record webpage.
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Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
"Shane M. Coughlan" shane@shaneland.co.uk writes:
It's going to be exciting to populate the section with more material.
And finally some of that population is done.
I have added Ciaran's listing of videos to the advocacy section: http://www.fsfe.org/en/advocacy/videos
Just dreaming... even better than a list of links to recordings would be a list of talks, where each talk has en entry such as: Talk title: Main speaker(s): Other speakers: Slides/notes: Audio: Video: Transcript: Duration: Venue/host information: Date and time: The easiest way to create and maintain this section would be to make it a wiki. There is a wiki being set up, but it's not ready yet.
This would be great, but it's going to take a lot of work.
One post suggested making a database to hold these things. That would be an elegant solution. I'd certainly like to see a way for people to find material to help them relatively quickly.
Right now the advocacy section does not have much material. This will change. When it does it might become difficult to locate all the data needed to review a topic and prepare a fully informed task. Tags for different categories would be wonderful.
Shane
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Shane M. Coughlan schrieb:
One post suggested making a database to hold these things. That would be an elegant solution. I'd certainly like to see a way for people to find material to help them relatively quickly.
Right now the advocacy section does not have much material. This will change. When it does it might become difficult to locate all the data needed to review a topic and prepare a fully informed task. Tags for different categories would be wonderful.
It seams to me, that you are dreaming about creating some sort of YouTube[1]...
I have seen that YouTube has an API[2] to be integrated into other applications. I don't know if You Tubes terms of use are adequate for the fellowship advocacy section. But at least it could be an inspiration.
Happy hacking! Patrick
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Patrick Ohnewein wrote:
Shane M. Coughlan schrieb:
Right now the advocacy section does not have much material. This will change. When it does it might become difficult to locate all the data needed to review a topic and prepare a fully informed task. Tags for different categories would be wonderful.
It seams to me, that you are dreaming about creating some sort of YouTube
Well, something like that would be useful if there was a lot of data. However, the amount of data we have is currently pretty much. It'll take many months to bring things together.
The main focus at that juncture should perhaps be the identification of information sources that will positively help people accomplish their advocacy goals.
Shane
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|| On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:26:52 +0200 || Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
po> I have seen that YouTube has an API[2] to be integrated into po> other applications. I don't know if You Tubes terms of use are po> adequate for the fellowship advocacy section. But at least it po> could be an inspiration.
The last time I checked I found it impossible to simply view many of the videos on YouTube with Free Software, so my evaluation of the site stopped right there.
Has this changed?
Regards, Georg
Georg C. F. Greve schrieb:
The last time I checked I found it impossible to simply view many of the videos on YouTube with Free Software, so my evaluation of the site stopped right there.
Has this changed?
I don't use YouTube and I don't know about the formats of the content posted on it. I think it's Flash and maybe it can be viewed with a free flash player. GNASH comes to my mind, but I didn't test it yet.
I suggested it, because it seams to have a nice structure of categorizing it's content through categories and tags.
There are probably two problems with using YouTube:
1) YouTube is only for videos, not for transcripts, audio files, etc.
2) I suppose their terms of use will be too restrictive. But I didn't check.
If these problems would not exist using YouTube could have some advantages:
1) We don't have to spend resources to implement our own system.
2) Putting content about Free Software on YouTube would be a good channel for distribution even outside of the FSFE community.
I suggested it, because I thought it could provide some inspiration for who will implement the system on the fellowship site.
Happy hacking! Patrick
Patrick Ohnewein ha scritto:
- I suppose their terms of use will be too restrictive. But I didn't check.
Indeed. Saying 'too restrictive' is a nice way to describe their terms of use.
Basically: - By submitting anything to their website you accept to delegate to them the copyright[0] of the submitted files
You can find more information here[1] and here[2] (only in italian, sorry :( )
[0]copyright that the user should own before submitting anything [1]http://www.gnuvox.info/index.php/2006/08/12/usate_licenze_libere_evitate_you... [2]http://copydown.inventati.org/copydown/2006/08/07/social_networking_eula_e_l...
Hi Giacomo!
Giacomo Poderi schrieb:
Basically:
- By submitting anything to their website you accept to delegate to them
the copyright[0] of the submitted files
An implicit copyright assignment is really heavy.
Is there some alternative to YouTube? If their is nothing to propose as an alternative, it will be very difficult to avoid its use.
It would be nice to have some system like YouTube, easy to use, with categories and tags, but with bittorrent as it's backend. That would be cool, IMHO.
More and more people is using internet services today and the number is growing. The masses are not able to create their own infrastructure, but they use services they find in the web, like YouTube, Flickr, Orkut, Blogger.com, etc.
Independently of the software used by this services, this is getting a problem for all of us. If the community will not be able to create an alternative, where users can preserve their freedoms and rights, we will all get locked into a world where all content will be non-free.
Happy hacking! Patrick
Patrick Ohnewein ha scritto:
Giacomo Poderi schrieb:
Basically:
- By submitting anything to their website you accept to delegate to them
the copyright[0] of the submitted files
An implicit copyright assignment is really heavy.
Sorry, here i should make a clarification, the author/user always retain the ownership of his work, but allows YouTube to sublicense the work
The related part of their therm of use (chapt 5. User submission) ...For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels....
Giacomo
Giacomo Poderi schrieb:
Patrick Ohnewein ha scritto:
Giacomo Poderi schrieb:
Basically:
- By submitting anything to their website you accept to delegate to them
the copyright[0] of the submitted files
An implicit copyright assignment is really heavy.
Sorry, here i should make a clarification, the author/user always retain the ownership of his work, but allows YouTube to sublicense the work
The related part of their therm of use (chapt 5. User submission) ...For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels....
Thsi seams to be no problem for free content and I think YouTube has to ask this rights to be able to use the content on the site.
If I get it right, the user grands all freedoms to YouTube. If he uses a free content license he would grant the freedoms to everyone not just to YouTube.
Where is the problem?
Patrick
Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
If I get it right, the user grands all freedoms to YouTube. If he uses a free content license he would grant the freedoms to everyone not just to YouTube.
Where is the problem?
One that I spotted: it is not possible to copyleft/GPL/ShareAlike anything on YouTube reliably, as YouTube can sublicense under whatever terms they want if it promotes themselves.
Calling that fine for free content is similar to saying that only being able to use BSD-style terms reliably would be fine for free software: it's technically true in one way, but hides some big issues.
Hope that explains,
MJ Ray schrieb:
Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
Where is the problem?
One that I spotted: it is not possible to copyleft/GPL/ShareAlike anything on YouTube reliably, as YouTube can sublicense under whatever terms they want if it promotes themselves.
Here is the interesting part:
<SNIP>
B. You shall be solely responsible for your own User Submissions and the consequences of posting or publishing them. In connection with User Submissions, you affirm, represent, and/or warrant that: (i) you own or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and authorize YouTube to use all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights in and to any and all User Submissions to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service; and (ii) you have the written consent, release, and/or permission of each and every identifiable individual person in the User Submission to use the name or likeness of each and every such identifiable individual person to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service. For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license granted by you terminates once you remove or delete a User Submission from the YouTube Website.
</SNIP>
For my understanding the submitter is transferring the rights "to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business"
And granting the right to YouTube do sublicense this rights.
What I don't know and understand is, if this means that YouTube has the right to reduce the freedoms on the content.
Calling that fine for free content is similar to saying that only being able to use BSD-style terms reliably would be fine for free software: it's technically true in one way, but hides some big issues.
Hope that explains,
Yes, if the submitter grants the rights to YouTube to restrict the freedoms, it explains it very well. Thank you!
INAL and no native English speaker, so I would like some help on this.
Happy hacking! Patrick
|| On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:57:41 +0200 || Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
po> For my understanding the submitter is transferring the rights "to po> use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, po> and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube po> Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business"
I think that *granting* those rights would be a better description, as transferring might be seen as implying you don't have them anymore.
Having skimmed across the language briefly it seemed like a non-exclusive licence grant, which means that your rights are not affected. So this is not a copyright transfer, which would be an exclusive licence grant.
po> What I don't know and understand is, if this means that YouTube po> has the right to reduce the freedoms on the content.
I am not sure if I understand your question correctly.
YouTube can certainly not restrict what you do, so if you authorised certain uses, they cannot undo that grant. But they might offer it in their own site with different terms, so users might not know that they have more permissions directly from you.
Regards, Georg
Sáb, 2006-08-26 às 11:39 +0200, Georg C. F. Greve escreveu:
|| On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:26:52 +0200 || Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
po> I have seen that YouTube has an API[2] to be integrated into po> other applications. I don't know if You Tubes terms of use are po> adequate for the fellowship advocacy section. But at least it po> could be an inspiration.
The last time I checked I found it impossible to simply view many of the videos on YouTube with Free Software, so my evaluation of the site stopped right there.
Has this changed?
ffmpeg seems to decode flash video!
Someone wrote a small python program to download youtube videos:
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
Just ./youtube-dl http://.... (url of youtube page) and then mplayer foo.flv
That's how I was able to watch Weird Al Yankovich & Bill Plimpton's "Don't Download This Song" videoclip :)
Rui
Sáb, 2006-08-26 às 11:39 +0200, Georg C. F. Greve escreveu:
|| On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:26:52 +0200 || Patrick Ohnewein patrick.ohnewein@lugbz.org wrote:
po> I have seen that YouTube has an API[2] to be integrated into po> other applications. I don't know if You Tubes terms of use are po> adequate for the fellowship advocacy section. But at least it po> could be an inspiration.
The last time I checked I found it impossible to simply view many of the videos on YouTube with Free Software, so my evaluation of the site stopped right there.
Has this changed?
ffmpeg seems to decode flash video!
Someone wrote a small python program to download youtube videos:
There are also some plugins for Firefox which automate this (I don't remember the name, ask if interested), but they only work for some web sites.
I don't fully understand it. But there seems to be some form of flash video, in files with extension .flv which will play on vlc or mplayer (yes, must be because of ffmpeg). But what you find on webpages is a .swf file. I guess somewhere in the .swf there's an URL for the .flv file, but I don't know how to extract it, and apparently these scripts and plugins simply implement guesswork for the current URL layouts of some of the sites using flash videos (youtube, etc.). For other sites you can't use it (unless you find out the URL scheme - hard to do without any example -) and modifiy the scripts or plugins.
And I don't know whether it is only .swf that is closed non standard and .flv is some standard video format, or both are propietary and flv support by free software is reverse engineering or otherwise hard work without much guarantee to be maintainable because of the aribtrarieness of the format...
And I don't know whether it is only .swf that is closed non standard and .flv is some standard video format, or both are propietary and flv support by free software is reverse engineering or otherwise hard work without much guarantee to be maintainable because of the aribtrarieness of the format...
I once asked RMS about this and he mentioned there is no danger to using the Flash format, the same thing goes for PDF. The specification of it is open. What he laments is the lack of a good flash player and he discourages use of the Flash format till the day we have one.
UK
The GNU Flash movie player and browser plugin is Gnash.
The current version is 0.7.1, an alpha release.
Some links: * the home page: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash * the development page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnash * the the alpha release message: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/release-0.7.1.txt * the windows :-( version: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/snapshots
bye
--- Stefano Spinucci
On 8/28/06, Uncle Koh unclekoh@gmail.com wrote:
I once asked RMS about this and he mentioned there is no danger to using the Flash format, the same thing goes for PDF. The specification of it is open. What he laments is the lack of a good flash player and he discourages use of the Flash format till the day we have one.
UK
On Monday 28 August 2006 17:12, Uncle Koh wrote:
And I don't know whether it is only .swf that is closed non standard and .flv is some standard video format, or both are propietary and flv support by free software is reverse engineering or otherwise hard work without much guarantee to be maintainable because of the aribtrarieness of the format...
I once asked RMS about this and he mentioned there is no danger to using the Flash format, the same thing goes for PDF. The specification of it is open.
I think with modern PDF versions there is a danger that you cannot implementing them without hitting software patents in some parts of the world. Because this is a danger to all software (free and non-free) it should remind us to fight software patents.
What he laments is the lack of a good flash player and he discourages use of the Flash format till the day we have one.
This is the same problem with some subsets of PDF, e.g. forms are not nicely supported yet. Many public administrations use it and implicitely and sometimes explicitely promote proprietary software with buttons like: Get X player!
Hi,
There is a new section on the fellowship site for advocacy. At the moment you'll find the English version of the FAQ there. We also have the FAQ in the following languages: - - German - - French
Where is the French part of the FAQ ? I can't find it.
Regards,
Xavier
Xavier Maillard wrote:
Hi,
There is a new section on the fellowship site for advocacy. At the moment you'll find the English version of the FAQ there. We also have the FAQ in the following languages:
- German
- French
Where is the French part of the FAQ ? I can't find it.
Should be right at this link: http://fsfe.org/en/advocacy/faq
Regards
Shane
Should be right at this link: http://fsfe.org/en/advocacy/faq
Right, it is at the right place :)
Xavier