Alright then, lets toy some more ;-]
josX wrote:
lord_inh wrote:
josX wrote:
summary: "The FSF(E) should focus on everything that can be digital, because:
- I believe it should {sorry man, you ask for it}
- the word software will get that meaning or die
- everything in the world is transient
that ^ was a summmary of the post of David, it's not what I think.
I knew that, I just snipped more than I ought too :/ My bad, as our American cousins say.
you Mexico?
But there is a case that says that Joe Sixpack probably doesn't care about the philosophical arguments about libre software. He might care
Agree, He will probably care not to loose his email on a broken fs, and if it is free-software which makes that happen ,/that/ will be a reason to be interested in freedom of ... (its my reason: if free software had no quality, I surely wouldn't be interested in it, the fact that it has quality makes it real interesting.)
But we have to make the philosophical argument, or we may as well call our selves the "Open Source software Foundation".
But `we' don't. You can yell 24 hours in someboddy's ear, but he won't listen if he hasn't seen a flikkering of High Quality Software for himself. BTW, why do we have to advertise ourselves, we're here, ""our"" software runs the world, runs the internet, shouldn't that be advertisement enough? Why should we want to force ppl, who have other things on their mind, to listen to some highly theoretical debate. Sometimes you just have to sit and wait you know.
about gratis software, and maybe even about open-source software if he doesn't want his computer to crash, but I doubt he'll care about libre.
A there you have it. ;-)
Yeah, but I don't think it'll be all that easy to get people to care about the odd computer crash. Maybe we can get them worked up about security or something, but making statements about music would get the
ppl are worked up too much already.
media's attention far quicker.
bombing the white house? oh boy, now we get the CIA here too! .-)
But issues like music sharing are legally equivalent to Free Software in many respects, and provide a platform which people can relate to and be engaged by. Acheiving our aims requires that we are reported, and we're
I think it requires more that the software is used, than that FSF(E) gets reported as the latest media craze; first the software, the rest follows.
not often going to be reported or understood if our arguments don't relate to people in some way.
I'm a little confused here, did you think that summary was my statement?
I apologise for the over-snip and any confusion it may have caused :)
Is it my eyes or do your replies come from somewhere else everytime I blink ?
I should also add that I don't really have an opinion on this yet- I'm
And your arguments seem to have type void a lot, check your HEADers!
just trying to stimulate some debate :)
Do we need debate? no, we need software (`software-programs'). Maybe you could reshift your foci towards logos?
Better yet: get your hands on a manpage and translate, get your hands on a C book and Code, get ... you catch my drift. That's what I'm going to do, wish me luck :)
-- Alistair Davidson
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josX wrote:
Alright then, lets toy some more ;-]
josX wrote:
lord_inh wrote:
josX wrote:
summary: "The FSF(E) should focus on everything that can be digital, because:
- I believe it should {sorry man, you ask for it}
- the word software will get that meaning or die
- everything in the world is transient
that ^ was a summmary of the post of David, it's not what I think.
I knew that, I just snipped more than I ought too :/ My bad, as our American cousins say.
you Mexico?
Huh? Do you mean "Are you Mexican?". If that's what you meant, no, I'm Scottish.
But we have to make the philosophical argument, or we may as well call our selves the "Open Source software Foundation".
But `we' don't. You can yell 24 hours in someboddy's ear, but he won't listen if he hasn't seen a flikkering of High Quality Software for himself. BTW, why do we have to advertise ourselves, we're here, ""our"" software runs the world, runs the internet, shouldn't that be advertisement enough? Why should we want to force ppl, who have other things on their mind, to listen to some highly theoretical debate. Sometimes you just have to sit and wait you know.
People are interested in the "highly theoretical" debate over freedom of speech and civil liberties. And as the many newspaper articles about P2P file-sharing have shown, they are interested in copyright issues. If we were to campaign on other digital copyright issues than just those directly pertaining to software, we could potentially make our philosophical case in an interesting and relevant way.
about gratis software, and maybe even about open-source software if he doesn't want his computer to crash, but I doubt he'll care about libre.
A there you have it. ;-)
Yeah, but I don't think it'll be all that easy to get people to care about the odd computer crash. Maybe we can get them worked up about security or something, but making statements about music would get the
ppl are worked up too much already.
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
media's attention far quicker.
bombing the white house? oh boy, now we get the CIA here too! .-)
Heehee. But we're the FSFE- we should bomb the head office of the Council of Europe ;)
I apologise for the over-snip and any confusion it may have caused :)
Is it my eyes or do your replies come from somewhere else everytime I blink ?
I dunno. How often do you blink?
I should also add that I don't really have an opinion on this yet- I'm
And your arguments seem to have type void a lot, check your HEADers!
I must confess to being a bit unsure of what you mean here. I'm no header expert.
just trying to stimulate some debate :)
Do we need debate? no, we need software (`software-programs').
Yes, we need debate on this issue and any others that arise.
Maybe you could reshift your foci towards logos?
Nah, I can't draw.
Better yet: get your hands on a manpage and translate, get your hands on a C book and Code, get ... you catch my drift. That's what I'm going to do, wish me luck :)
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
-- Alistair Davidson