The FSFE needs a professional logo. We need your help.
Several discussions on this lists have let to several drafts. Anja did the best job so far: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/index.html
You might remember my last take on the discussion: http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2001-January/000281.html
I think the requirements mentioned there are still unmet.
| We need a logo which can be understood in max. 100x100 pixel _on | screen_. It would be a huge advantage to even have it smaller or | have a small version with even less details.
| we need simpler drafts or a generally different | directions for our ideas.
Here I am reviving the discussion. Maybe some of you know logo designers and can convince them to do a couple of sketches. We could also start a contest somehow. It would be nice if we could come up with more drafts we can present to the core group.
Most of the core group are quite busy fighting and organising the fight for free software. So we need your support.
Bernhard
Bernhard Reiter bernhard@intevation.de schrieb/wrote:
The FSFE needs a professional logo. We need your help.
Most of the core group are quite busy fighting and organising the fight for free software. So we need your support.
Well, I think that the logo of a Free Software Foundation Europe needs to be a combination of a symbol for the FSF and one of Europe.
*The* symbol of the FSF is certainly the GNU's head.
The best symbol for Europe *is* the ring of 12 stars, which is used in the flag adopted by both the European Union and the Council of Europe, of which all 41 European states are a member.
I have composed some images:
http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20010319-fsf-eu.html
Unlike another proposal, the GNU's head is not put inside the stars but on top of it, which makes the logo more compact.
Claus
The best symbol for Europe *is* the ring of 12 stars, which is used in the flag adopted by both the European Union and the Council of Europe, of which all 41 European states are a member.
No it isn't. There are many countries that is a part of Europe, that isn't a member of EU. Use a map over Europe instead.
David Westlund
Well, in greek mythology, europa (which the name Europe came from), was abducted by Zeus disguised as a bull... http://www.cultures.com/greek_resources/greek_encyclopedia/greek_entry.html/europa_e.html I had an idea, substituting the bull with a gnu... http://www.brittanica.com/bcom/eb/article/single_image/0,5716,11142+asmbly%5Fid,00.html (or just search in brittanica.com for europa)
Papadimitriou Aristotelis aridan@ath.forthnet.gr
David Westlund daw@wlug.westbo.se schrieb/wrote:
The best symbol for Europe *is* the ring of 12 stars, which is used in the flag adopted by both the European Union and the Council of Europe, of which all 41 European states are a member.
No it isn't.
What "isn't"?
* The flag is not a symbol of the Council of Europe? That's wrong.
* The Council of Europe does not have 41 member states? That's wrong too, it does.
* These 41 states are not virtually all European countries? Then name one European country that isn't.[1]
There are many countries that is a part of Europe, that isn't a member of EU.
The Council of Europe is not the EU but a much larger (and a bit older) international organisation. The flag in question is the flag of the Council of Europe too (and had been *before* the EU also adopted the flag) and also symblizes the *European* *Idea*, which includes *all* of Europe - even states that are not a member state of the Council.
It's only that people think of the Union first when they see the flag - but that's true with the name "Europe" too.
Claus ___________________ [1] OK, Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Fed.Rep. of Yugoslawia are only Special Guests, the Holy See is only observer, and Monaco, Belarus, and some small dependent areas are missing.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 08:02:00PM +0100, Claus Färber wrote:
Well, I think that the logo of a Free Software Foundation Europe needs to be a combination of a symbol for the FSF and one of Europe.
*The* symbol of the FSF is certainly the GNU's head.
all of the symbols I have seen until now a very nice and I am sure they can be used for some fsfe related matters.
Still all are symbols rather than a logo. There is too much detail in the drawings so that they don't scale nicely. For Logos simplicity and at the same time uniqueness is most important. And this is the reason why it is so difficult to create one ;-)
As far as I see there is now a pool of good ideas for the logo so perhaps someone would like to spend some time on making a simplified and scalable image which still carries the information and idea of the more complex drawings.
I would have tried but I must confess that I am no artist at all :-(
Cheers and have fun
Jan
Here are my propositions for a FSFE logo: http://www.utc.fr/fudaa/fsfe
They are very simple, as a combination of 2 symbols: Europe (flag with stars) and Linux penguin or Gnu. So they match the 100x100 requirement. My preferred one is the first one: "European flag with big penguin" because it is straight-forward (I mean self-explanatory).
I may bring an explanation on each of the symbols.
1. European flag I read the discussions on stars/no stars for Europe, but I think the starred flag is just a very popular and symbolic flag for Europe. Everyone knows this flag, and doesn't necessarily think of the EU, but of Europe in general. This is what the EU tells about the flag:
"SYMBOLIC DESCRIPTION : Against the background of blue sky, twelve golden stars form a circle, representing the union of the peoples of Europe. The number of stars is fixed, twelve being the symbol of perfection and unity."
So there isn't any direct connection with the number of nations in the EU.
2. Linux penguin I know that Linux is only a part of the Free Software community work, and that Gnu should be more appropriate, but the Penguin (and Linux) are becoming so popular that this symbol is immediately recognizable and associated with the Free Software "crusade", for any kind of audience. But I admit that this amalgamation could lead to confusion which is not suitable to a serious organization such as the FSFE. Tell me what you think.
3. Gnu head Official Gnu/FSF Logo. Nothing to add.
________________________________________ Axel von Arnim CETMEF - DRIM/GDI vonarnim@cetmef.equipement.gouv.fr vonarnim@club-internet.fr ________________________________________
* Axel von Arnim (vonarnim@club-internet.fr) wrote:
Here are my propositions for a FSFE logo: http://www.utc.fr/fudaa/fsfe
They are very simple, as a combination of 2 symbols: Europe (flag with stars) and Linux penguin or Gnu. So they match the 100x100 requirement. My preferred one is the first one: "European flag with big penguin" because it is straight-forward (I mean self-explanatory).
I may bring an explanation on each of the symbols.
- European flag
I read the discussions on stars/no stars for Europe, but I think the starred flag is just a very popular and symbolic flag for Europe. Everyone knows this flag, and doesn't necessarily think of the EU, but of Europe in general. This is what the EU tells about the flag:
"SYMBOLIC DESCRIPTION : Against the background of blue sky, twelve golden stars form a circle, representing the union of the peoples of Europe. The number of stars is fixed, twelve being the symbol of perfection and unity."
Perfection and Unity, that's rich coming from a corrupt organisation and a not united Europe :)
So there isn't any direct connection with the number of nations in the EU.
- Linux penguin
I know that Linux is only a part of the Free Software community work, and that Gnu should be more appropriate, but the Penguin (and Linux) are becoming so popular that this symbol is immediately recognizable and associated with the Free Software "crusade", for any kind of audience. But I admit that this amalgamation could lead to confusion which is not suitable to a serious organization such as the FSFE. Tell me what you think.
Under no circumstances should the logo be related to any one product of the Free Software movement. This will potentially alienate all other Free Software projects.
- Gnu head
Official Gnu/FSF Logo. Nothing to add.
IMHO the best choice. It shows the relation to the FSF and is well recognised as a 'brand'.
Regards, REB
Hi Bernhard and all,
Bernhard Reiter wrote on Mar 16, 2001 at 11:44AM +0100:
Several discussions on this lists have let to several drafts. Anja did the best job so far: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/index.html
Thanks :-)
However, since in this mail ...
You might remember my last take on the discussion: http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2001-January/000281.html
(BTW, mailman.fsfeurope.org is "host not found" but I found the message in my folder.)
... you only comment on my designs with stars, I wonder what you think about the later versions?
I think the requirements mentioned there are still unmet.
| We need a logo which can be understood in max. 100x100 pixel _on | screen_. It would be a huge advantage to even have it smaller or | have a small version with even less details.
My latest logo suggestion (uploaded in February) meets these requirements. It works well from high resolution, full color to black & white only to web page button size. I created some smaller versions to demonstrate it and cleaned up the web page. They are here:
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/index.html
| we need simpler drafts or a generally different | directions for our ideas.
Here I am reviving the discussion. Maybe some of you know logo designers and can convince them to do a couple of sketches. We could also start a contest somehow. It would be nice if we could come up with more drafts we can present to the core group.
I agree with you that it would be nice to have more sketches from different people. Preferably without stars.
Best wishes,
Anja