Hi!! Just joining the brainstorm here: What about a beautifull Women riding the gnu, carying a monitor with the front-glass opened as a box and "seeding" the earth with cd's.
BTW, I like the idea of using a women, what else do men like to look at at the end of the day? ;)
byebye
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, josX kindly wrote:
Hi!! Just joining the brainstorm here: What about a beautifull Women riding the gnu, carying a monitor with the front-glass opened as a box and "seeding" the earth with cd's.
BTW, I like the idea of using a women, what else do men like to look at
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that does seem sexistic .... ;-)
--Georg
* josX (joshb@xs4all.nl) [001221 19:37]:
Just joining the brainstorm here: What about a beautifull Women riding the gnu, carying a monitor with the front-glass opened as a box and "seeding" the earth with cd's.
Hey, you are mixing some ancient legends.
BTW, I like the idea of using a women, what else do men like to look at at the end of the day? ;)
Hm, I wrote about a nice girl, because Europa was a girl and why using a ugly one for a logo. She should definitly dressed, best in an ancient greek gown. The drawing should be very simple, so we can use it in bw and as a small logo, so we dont need details. A simple GNU a simple girl and the twelve stars in a circle around them.
Matthias
* Matthias Kabel (matthias.kabel@tyche.de) [001221 20:44]:
- josX (joshb@xs4all.nl) [001221 19:37]:
Hm, I wrote about a nice girl, because Europa was a girl and why using a ugly one for a logo. She should definitly dressed, best in an ancient greek gown.
An example for an ancient greek gown
http://ccis09.baylor.edu/WWWproviders/thorburn/europa.GIF
Matthias
Matthias Kabel skrev:
- josX (joshb@xs4all.nl) [001221 19:37]:
Hm, I wrote about a nice girl, because Europa was a girl and why using a ugly one for a logo. She should definitly dressed, best in an ancient greek gown. The drawing should be very simple, so we can use it in bw and as a small logo, so we dont need details. A simple GNU a simple girl and the twelve stars in a circle around them.
Twelve stars? EU is NOT europe I think we'd established that already.
My vote is for the original FSF symbol. Nothing more - nothing less. Another symbol will probably only confuse the oroginal issue.
Anders PS Russia is part of Europe but not part of EU.
* Anders Lindbäck (anders@igiro.se) [001222 11:00]:
Matthias Kabel skrev:
- josX (joshb@xs4all.nl) [001221 19:37]:
Hm, I wrote about a nice girl, because Europa was a girl and why using a ugly one for a logo. She should definitly dressed, best in an ancient greek gown. The drawing should be very simple, so we can use it in bw and as a small logo, so we dont need details. A simple GNU a simple girl and the twelve stars in a circle around them.
Twelve stars? EU is NOT europe I think we'd established that already.
I know that, but the twelve stars are widley known as the sign from the EU. The twelve stars ar _not_ representing every single country in the EU, there currently 16 and a lot more want to be member of the community. The number twelve is an old number for something perfect. There are twelve gods and goddesses in the classical mythology. Twelve or a dozen was long time the "even" number, some currencies like the british pound were calculating in multiples of twelve. The stars are a sign for something bright and better than normal mortal stuff. So twelve stars would be a fine frame for a logo. Many people will recognize this stars as the sign of the EU, but all these people know there are more than 12 countries in the EU. But I'm not shure that all these people will recognize the Europa on the bull/gnu, so the twelve stars will show, that we are an european organisation. But you can use twelve heads of a gnu instead of the stars. ;-)
Matthias
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 10:55:51AM +0100, Anders Lindbdck wrote:
Matthias Kabel skrev:
- josX (joshb@xs4all.nl) [001221 19:37]:
Hm, I wrote about a nice girl, because Europa was a girl and why using a ugly one for a logo. She should definitly dressed, best in an ancient greek gown. The drawing should be very simple, so we can use it in bw and as a small logo, so we dont need details. A simple GNU a simple girl and the twelve stars in a circle around them.
Twelve stars? EU is NOT europe I think we'd established that already.
Indeed.... although the 12 stars no longer represent each country and will contiune to be twelve they are still the symbol of the EU. Russia, some blatic countries, even some northern vountries IIRC are not EU.
I do understand that the twelve stars would make an association with Europe, but I don't know if it's fair to make Europe == EU.
My vote is for the original FSF symbol. Nothing more - nothing less. Another symbol will probably only confuse the oroginal issue.
Well, I'm also for straight and simple logos, and I'm all for the original FSF logo. The fact that this is an European org. should be quite simple to see if we add 'Europe' to it; still, as I see things the majority seems to like more complex and symbolic logos and I won't argue with that.
Best Regards,
fsm
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Frederico S. Mu�oz wrote:
Indeed.... although the 12 stars no longer represent each country and will contiune to be twelve they are still the symbol of the EU. Russia, some blatic countries, even some northern vountries IIRC are not EU.
I thought the 12 stars signified the number of members of European Parliament it took to change a lightbulb? :)
Well, I'm also for straight and simple logos, and I'm all for the original FSF logo. The fact that this is an European org. should be quite simple to see if we add 'Europe' to it; still, as I see things the majority seems to like more complex and symbolic logos and I won't argue with that.
Yes and no. The FSF operates in the United States. The cultural and political climate there is not the same as here. This may mean we need different imagery to portray the same ideals. Admittedly the Gnu is a nobel animal and should not be lightly shoved aside, if at all.
Cheers, Pi
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:44:38PM +0100, Pim van Riezen wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Frederico S. Muñoz wrote:
Indeed.... although the 12 stars no longer represent each country and will contiune to be twelve they are still the symbol of the EU. Russia, some blatic countries, even some northern vountries IIRC are not EU.
I thought the 12 stars signified the number of members of European Parliament it took to change a lightbulb? :)
LOL
Well, I'm also for straight and simple logos, and I'm all for the original FSF logo. The fact that this is an European org. should be quite simple to see if we add 'Europe' to it; still, as I see things the majority seems to like more complex and symbolic logos and I won't argue with that.
Yes and no. The FSF operates in the United States. The cultural and political climate there is not the same as here. This may mean we need different imagery to portray the same ideals. Admittedly the Gnu is a nobel animal and should not be lightly shoved aside, if at all.
Well, the FSF logo really isn't a gnu, it's the letters FSF in a 01010101 background.
As for cultural diffenreces you are right of course, but o what extent foes that has a reflect on a logo it's my only doubt. The FSF logo (and the GNU Project logo) have nothing in them that makes them from the USA. We should fo course try to show that we are from Europe, but
I don't know if making that statment the main concern while designing a logo is the route to take (prolly is, but I'm not yet convinced :)); by absurd we could have a logo with 12 stars, the flags of the countries, the Goddess Europa and EUROPE written in Arial Black 40 beneath :))))
As for the gnu, I think that one is really a must... I mean, if the FSF-Europe is 'the sister organization of FSF in Europe' then, althogh the geo and cultural integration is different the symbols have still to relate, or ppl will be able to tell that we are very European but won't relate us to the FSF (I don't what if this is what is intended though, but I think it is, the name FSF kind of gives it away :) )
Anyway, in the end one will have to choose from what looks good on a logo and leave all the other considerations; if twelve stars look better than any other alternative, and if a totally distinctive logo is needed, that the choice will be easier.
yours,
fsm
Frederico S. Muñoz fsmunoz@sdf.lonestar.org schrieb/wrote:
Indeed.... although the 12 stars no longer represent each country and will contiune to be twelve they are still the symbol of the EU. Russia, some blatic countries, even some northern vountries IIRC are not EU.
The 12 stars flag originally was the flag adpoted by of the Council of Europe http://www.coe.int, which did already have more than 12 member states when it was adopted.
(It was later adopted by the European Communities when they had less than 12 members. And it's the flag of the European Union, which had 15 members from the beginnig in 1993.)
Today, virtually every European state is member of the Council of Europe. So the 12 stars flag not only relates to the EU, but also to Europa as a whole (which was it's original meaning anyway).
I'd propose a logo where the GNU is posed in front of a 12 star circle (which may be partially covered by the GNU, however).
Claus
Claus Färber wrote:
Frederico S. Muñoz fsmunoz@sdf.lonestar.org schrieb/wrote:
Indeed.... although the 12 stars no longer represent each country and will contiune to be twelve they are still the symbol of the EU. Russia, some blatic countries, even some northern vountries IIRC are not EU.
The 12 stars flag originally was the flag adpoted by of the Council of Europe http://www.coe.int, which did already have more than 12 member states when it was adopted.
(It was later adopted by the European Communities when they had less than 12 members. And it's the flag of the European Union, which had 15 members from the beginnig in 1993.)
Today, virtually every European state is member of the Council of Europe. So the 12 stars flag not only relates to the EU, but also to Europa as a whole (which was it's original meaning anyway).
I'd propose a logo where the GNU is posed in front of a 12 star circle (which may be partially covered by the GNU, however).
What about twelve small gnus in a circle on a blue background?