There was a discussion in one community recently about essential emails not reaching new contributors because they get stuck in the Gmail "promotions" tab.
This is quite concerning, for example, when Debian sends out the yearly announcement for DebConf travel grants / bursaries, if only the regular participants receive that email it undermines renewal and diversity in the organization.
It is even worse if sending people an email that their talk proposal or travel grant is accepted and they don't see that email.
I have a few questions about this:
- are other communities who operate mailing lists or send announcements noticing a similar problem, for example, announcements not reaching people or lower participation in email discussions?
- are people noticing it in their capacity as Gmail users / recipients of email?
- are people consciously talking about the problem in other communities?
- given the high percentage of people using Gmail, would it be reasonable to take countermeasures, for example, when somebody registers for an event, refusing to let them use a gmail address and giving them a link to a page with more details about the problem?
- is there any particularly good web page we can point people to explaining the Gmail problem and giving them a concise list of alternatives so they can migrate quickly?
Regards,
Daniel
Le 25/01/2018 à 11:09, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
There was a discussion in one community recently about essential emails not reaching new contributors because they get stuck in the Gmail "promotions" tab.
Hi, the "Free" FAI(no related in away way with libre computer science movement, http://www.universfreebox.com/article/26484/Free-mise-en-place-d-un-nouveau-systeme-de-tri-des-mails-avec-Zimbra) does the same thing and have got aggressive anti-spam filters too making valuables mails never reach.
I can recommend Protonmail, it works very well with linux!
Regards, Cornelia
-------- Original Message -------- On January 25, 2018 10:09 AM, Daniel Pocock daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
There was a discussion in one community recently about essential emails not reaching new contributors because they get stuck in the Gmail "promotions" tab.
This is quite concerning, for example, when Debian sends out the yearly announcement for DebConf travel grants / bursaries, if only the regular participants receive that email it undermines renewal and diversity in the organization.
It is even worse if sending people an email that their talk proposal or travel grant is accepted and they don't see that email.
I have a few questions about this:
- are other communities who operate mailing lists or send announcements
noticing a similar problem, for example, announcements not reaching people or lower participation in email discussions?
- are people noticing it in their capacity as Gmail users / recipients
of email?
are people consciously talking about the problem in other communities?
given the high percentage of people using Gmail, would it be
reasonable to take countermeasures, for example, when somebody registers for an event, refusing to let them use a gmail address and giving them a link to a page with more details about the problem?
- is there any particularly good web page we can point people to
explaining the Gmail problem and giving them a concise list of alternatives so they can migrate quickly?
Regards,
Daniel
Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
- are people consciously talking about the problem in other communities?
Yes, and I think I also talked about this in "android" mailing list of FSFE, although I discussed the broader problem of recommending only some nodes of federated networks specifically simply because of personal preference or usage --- /i.e./: without clear rules for inclusion.
- given the high percentage of people using Gmail, would it be
reasonable to take countermeasures, for example, when somebody registers for an event, refusing to let them use a gmail address and giving them a link to a page with more details about the problem?
At least in the Hyperbola mailing lists, I recall that they opted to block subscriptions that come from the known federation offenders, but not dueo to federation issues, but due to privacy, see [1][2].
- is there any particularly good web page we can point people to
explaining the Gmail problem and giving them a concise list of alternatives so they can migrate quickly?
Point to the references under "Further details" in [1].
[2] In [1], the links in "Further details" were given by me. Also, the one from FSF is updated now.