Hi all,
There is speculation in the UK press that the government there will take further steps[1] against encryption, using the Manchester bombing as an excuse.
"Government officials appear to have briefed newspapers that they will put many of the most invasive parts of the relatively new Investigatory Powers Act into effect after the bombing at Manchester Arena."
I wonder what this will mean for developers of free software who pass through British airports with software like Tor on their devices?
Regards,
Daniel
1. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/manchester-att...
# Daniel Pocock [2017-05-25 15:55 +0200]:
I wonder what this will mean for developers of free software who pass through British airports with software like Tor on their devices?
Well, that completely depends on how the possible regulation will look like. Currently, I don't see a realistic way how such backdoors can be included in software and services, especially those who have their headquarters abroad (or nowhere in the case of distributed Free Software projects).
"...require big technology and internet companies to break their own security so that messages can be read by intelligence agencies."
According to this quote from the source you mentioned it seems the ideas circle more around major web *service companies* (FB, WhatsApp...) and less around said distributed Free Software projects like Tor. And well, that you shouldn't entrust proprietary, US-based providers with your most valuable data should be common sense in the tech community.
By the way, I doubt that the UK has enough economic power to enforce such one-sided backdoor obligations outside of the UK. I also doubt that such regulations would be legally feasible in the EU.
Best, Max
Dear all,
it is not a question of Manchester. The state actors use this for his long perspectives.
Wolgang Kleinwaechter sent a link to the ISOC list: FYI http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-in... w
In this, you find the plans in UK. And we will find it every where in Europe and on our planet.
greetings, willi
Am 25/5/2017 um 13:01 schrieb Max Mehl:
# Daniel Pocock [2017-05-25 15:55 +0200]:
I wonder what this will mean for developers of free software who pass through British airports with software like Tor on their devices?
Well, that completely depends on how the possible regulation will look like. Currently, I don't see a realistic way how such backdoors can be included in software and services, especially those who have their headquarters abroad (or nowhere in the case of distributed Free Software projects).
"...require big technology and internet companies to break their own security so that messages can be read by intelligence agencies."
According to this quote from the source you mentioned it seems the ideas circle more around major web *service companies* (FB, WhatsApp...) and less around said distributed Free Software projects like Tor. And well, that you shouldn't entrust proprietary, US-based providers with your most valuable data should be common sense in the tech community.
By the way, I doubt that the UK has enough economic power to enforce such one-sided backdoor obligations outside of the UK. I also doubt that such regulations would be legally feasible in the EU.
Best, Max
Am 25/5/2017 um 09:55 schrieb Daniel Pocock:
Hi all,
There is speculation in the UK press that the government there will take further steps[1] against encryption, using the Manchester bombing as an excuse.
"Government officials appear to have briefed newspapers that they will put many of the most invasive parts of the relatively new Investigatory Powers Act into effect after the bombing at Manchester Arena."
I wonder what this will mean for developers of free software who pass through British airports with software like Tor on their devices?
Regards, Daniel
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/manchester-att...
Please stop spreading FUD without arguments and critical thought (a link is not enough, and your text above it is entirely unrelated). You already spread some weird stuff before. Please stop. Thanks.
On 26.05.2017 02:18, willi uebelherr wrote:
Dear all,
it is not a question of Manchester. The state actors use this for his long perspectives.
Wolgang Kleinwaechter sent a link to the ISOC list: FYI http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-in... w
In this, you find the plans in UK. And we will find it every where in Europe and on our planet.
greetings, willi
Dear all, To help, I hope, understand what is going on with encryption in UK I would read the documents from the openrightsgroup.org
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2017/the-manchester-attack
I can't find a section of the article short enough to explain the situation so I suggest either reading the whole article or doing a word search for “Technical Capability Notices” (TCNs) and reading to the end.
To those that can vote in UK there is some guidance:
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/general-election-2017-hub
-- -- Andres (he/him/his) Ham United Group Richmond Makerlabs
On 27/05/17 06:55, amunizp wrote:
To help, I hope, understand what is going on with encryption in UK I would read the documents from the openrightsgroup.org
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2017/the-manchester-attack
... search for “Technical Capability Notices” (TCNs) ...
For an explanation of TCNs and a legal analysis of their yet-to-be-decided application, please see:
http://www.cyberleagle.com/2017/05/back-doors-black-boxes-and-ipact.html
jah
Am 27/5/2017 um 07:07 schrieb jah:
On 27/05/17 06:55, amunizp wrote:
To help, I hope, understand what is going on with encryption in UK I would read the documents from the openrightsgroup.org
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2017/the-manchester-attack
... search for “Technical Capability Notices” (TCNs) ...
For an explanation of TCNs and a legal analysis of their yet-to-be-decided application, please see: http://www.cyberleagle.com/2017/05/back-doors-black-boxes-and-ipact.html
jah
Dear Jah and Amunzip,
many thanks for your links.
To the LIFG (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) i found this text from "The Burning Blogger":
The Terrible TRUTH About the Manchester Attack, the British Government & ‘Salman Abedi’… https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/the-terrible-trut...
His/Her book "The Libya Conspiracy" we can read online: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw-Moi1P9O11YnRfS2pYWm0wWUU
And we have another source to the telecommunication on the re:publica2017: Danny O’Brien from Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/de/about/staff/danny-obrien-0 https://re-publica.com/en/17/session/building-new-net-shell-old
The basic question for us is, how we can create our self determined Telecommunication? The "Manchester Attack" is used, like so many attacks, to extend the private/state monopolisation. And for me is very clear, that this attacks are orchestriated from state/private instances to create the fear-potential to dissolve all her restrictions.
In the "Gladio" activities in Barcelona/Madrid is clear. In USA 9/11 is clear. In Paris and Nizza? In Berlin? In Boston? Now in Manchester?
If we know, that all this actors are/was very strong connected to the state security systems, like the LIFG with the "five eyes", and the potential for this actions rest in the terrible destruction in South-West Asia and North Africa, we see parts of a working system.
For me, the acceptance of the local/regional self determination is the base to dissolve all this terrible fightings. Countries, Cultures and Religions.
But inside in our living space? The only way is the selforganised telecommunication in form of a Internet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works for our free access to free knowledge and free communication. We need the cooperation over all borders and regions on our planet.
end to end encryption
The best way to go around is to use the unencrypted data. The CIA and NSA together with the chip companies created the "Management engines". This we find long time in Intel, Amd, Samsung, Qualcomm architectures. Before external, now internal. This parallel processing system is only acessible from outside. You have to change the firmware in the BIOS image. LibreBoot start to do it. "Me-cleaner" also.
This mechanism we find in Client and Server systems. This is the easiest way to go around the end-to-end encryption. It is not important for you. And not proxies, TORs or anything.
CIA and NSA act on the black markets for exploits and backdoors. It is a big business. The consequece? Our self determined free and open hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay
Please take the hint of people ignoring your previous emails, and stop using this stuff to further your insane political agenda. Your random wordpress blogs are entirely unrelated to the topic of the UK threatening encryption, just as talk of chemtrails is entirely unrelated to the topic of air pollution from air travel. This belongs with David Icke, not on FSFE's mailing lists.
On 27.05.2017 22:30, willi uebelherr wrote:
Am 27/5/2017 um 07:07 schrieb jah:
On 27/05/17 06:55, amunizp wrote:
To help, I hope, understand what is going on with encryption in UK I would read the documents from the openrightsgroup.org
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2017/the-manchester-attack
... search for “Technical Capability Notices” (TCNs) ...
For an explanation of TCNs and a legal analysis of their yet-to-be-decided application, please see: http://www.cyberleagle.com/2017/05/back-doors-black-boxes-and-ipact.html
jah
Dear Jah and Amunzip,
many thanks for your links.
To the LIFG (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) i found this text from "The Burning Blogger":
The Terrible TRUTH About the Manchester Attack, the British Government & ‘Salman Abedi’… https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/the-terrible-trut...
His/Her book "The Libya Conspiracy" we can read online: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw-Moi1P9O11YnRfS2pYWm0wWUU
And we have another source to the telecommunication on the re:publica2017: Danny O’Brien from Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/de/about/staff/danny-obrien-0 https://re-publica.com/en/17/session/building-new-net-shell-old
The basic question for us is, how we can create our self determined Telecommunication? The "Manchester Attack" is used, like so many attacks, to extend the private/state monopolisation. And for me is very clear, that this attacks are orchestriated from state/private instances to create the fear-potential to dissolve all her restrictions.
In the "Gladio" activities in Barcelona/Madrid is clear. In USA 9/11 is clear. In Paris and Nizza? In Berlin? In Boston? Now in Manchester?
If we know, that all this actors are/was very strong connected to the state security systems, like the LIFG with the "five eyes", and the potential for this actions rest in the terrible destruction in South-West Asia and North Africa, we see parts of a working system.
For me, the acceptance of the local/regional self determination is the base to dissolve all this terrible fightings. Countries, Cultures and Religions.
But inside in our living space? The only way is the selforganised telecommunication in form of a Internet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works for our free access to free knowledge and free communication. We need the cooperation over all borders and regions on our planet.
end to end encryption
The best way to go around is to use the unencrypted data. The CIA and NSA together with the chip companies created the "Management engines". This we find long time in Intel, Amd, Samsung, Qualcomm architectures. Before external, now internal. This parallel processing system is only acessible from outside. You have to change the firmware in the BIOS image. LibreBoot start to do it. "Me-cleaner" also.
This mechanism we find in Client and Server systems. This is the easiest way to go around the end-to-end encryption. It is not important for you. And not proxies, TORs or anything.
CIA and NSA act on the black markets for exploits and backdoors. It is a big business. The consequece? Our self determined free and open hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay
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Dear friends,
two emails from "D" (dguthrie@posteo.net), now with a reference to "David Icke" from outside?
Who are this persons?
many greetings, willi
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: UK to "end" encryption? Datum: Sun, 28 May 2017 03:58:47 +0200 Von: D dguthrie@posteo.net An: willi uebelherr willi.uebelherr@riseup.net Kopie (CC): FSFeu discuss discussion@lists.fsfe.org
Please take the hint of people ignoring your previous emails, and stop using this stuff to further your insane political agenda. Your random wordpress blogs are entirely unrelated to the topic of the UK threatening encryption, just as talk of chemtrails is entirely unrelated to the topic of air pollution from air travel. This belongs with David Icke, not on FSFE's mailing lists.
On 27.05.2017 22:30, willi uebelherr wrote:
Am 27/5/2017 um 07:07 schrieb jah:
On 27/05/17 06:55, amunizp wrote:
To help, I hope, understand what is going on with encryption in UK I would read the documents from the openrightsgroup.org
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2017/the-manchester-attack
... search for “Technical Capability Notices” (TCNs) ...
For an explanation of TCNs and a legal analysis of their yet-to-be-decided application, please see: http://www.cyberleagle.com/2017/05/back-doors-black-boxes-and-ipact.html
jah
Dear Jah and Amunzip,
many thanks for your links.
To the LIFG (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) i found this text from "The Burning Blogger":
The Terrible TRUTH About the Manchester Attack, the British Government & ‘Salman Abedi’…
https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/the-terrible-trut...
His/Her book "The Libya Conspiracy" we can read online: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw-Moi1P9O11YnRfS2pYWm0wWUU
And we have another source to the telecommunication on the re:publica2017: Danny O’Brien from Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/de/about/staff/danny-obrien-0 https://re-publica.com/en/17/session/building-new-net-shell-old
The basic question for us is, how we can create our self determined Telecommunication? The "Manchester Attack" is used, like so many attacks, to extend the private/state monopolisation. And for me is very clear, that this attacks are orchestriated from state/private instances to create the fear-potential to dissolve all her restrictions.
In the "Gladio" activities in Barcelona/Madrid is clear. In USA 9/11 is clear. In Paris and Nizza? In Berlin? In Boston? Now in Manchester?
If we know, that all this actors are/was very strong connected to the state security systems, like the LIFG with the "five eyes", and the potential for this actions rest in the terrible destruction in South-West Asia and North Africa, we see parts of a working system.
For me, the acceptance of the local/regional self determination is the base to dissolve all this terrible fightings. Countries, Cultures and Religions.
But inside in our living space? The only way is the selforganised telecommunication in form of a Internet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works for our free access to free knowledge and free communication. We need the cooperation over all borders and regions on our planet.
end to end encryption
The best way to go around is to use the unencrypted data. The CIA and NSA together with the chip companies created the "Management engines". This we find long time in Intel, Amd, Samsung, Qualcomm architectures. Before external, now internal. This parallel processing system is only acessible from outside. You have to change the firmware in the BIOS image. LibreBoot start to do it. "Me-cleaner" also.
This mechanism we find in Client and Server systems. This is the easiest way to go around the end-to-end encryption. It is not important for you. And not proxies, TORs or anything.
CIA and NSA act on the black markets for exploits and backdoors. It is a big business. The consequece? Our self determined free and open hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: UK to "end" encryption? Datum: Fri, 26 May 2017 02:23:31 +0200 Von: D dguthrie@posteo.net An: willi uebelherr willi.uebelherr@riseup.net Kopie (CC): FSFeu discuss discussion@lists.fsfe.org
Please stop spreading FUD without arguments and critical thought (a link is not enough, and your text above it is entirely unrelated). You already spread some weird stuff before. Please stop. Thanks.
On 26.05.2017 02:18, willi uebelherr wrote:
Dear all,
it is not a question of Manchester. The state actors use this for his long perspectives.
Wolgang Kleinwaechter sent a link to the ISOC list: FYI http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-in... w
In this, you find the plans in UK. And we will find it every where in Europe and on our planet.
greetings, willi
Hello Willi,
On 28. May 2017, at 03:21, willi uebelherr willi.uebelherr@riseup.net wrote:
two emails from "D" (dguthrie@posteo.net mailto:dguthrie@posteo.net), now with a reference to "David Icke" from outside?
Who are this persons?
D Guthrie is a well-respected member of our community.
David Icke is a well-known conspiracy theorist. D’s comment indicated that your emails fit better into a forum with him than to a FSFE mailing list. I politely agree with that. Let us please keep the lists’ focus on-topic, which means directly related to matters of software freedom, and grounded on verifiable facts.
Thanks,
Mirko.