I personally _really_ liked the abstract GNU + Europa line drawing we had a while ago
I agree. What's wrong with it?
Hello,
Alessandro Rubini wrote:
I personally _really_ liked the abstract GNU + Europa line drawing we had a while ago
I agree. What's wrong with it?
I also agree, and I do not see anything wrong with it.
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/
and specifically about the most recent variant:
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png
In case you are not aware of it:
* This is a draft. Anja promised to make high-quality vector versions of this logo, once she knows that she is not working for the recycler.
* If you do not like the colors: Changing them is trivial.
* When scaling the logo down to smaller sizes and resolutions, details can be left out: - First, the writing ("Omnis enim res ...") can be replaced by a single line. - Second, the shadow on the lines of the drawing can be removed. - Third, the map can be replaced by a solid color background. - Finally, the lines can become thicker. The logo remains recognizable.
Things I like in this logo:
* It is "minimalistic" (just a few lines), creating the illusiion of much more details than it actually has. (For instance, the faces of the woman and the gnu are left to the reader's imagination.) For this reason and those sketched above, it scales down well to even very low resolutions.
* It refers to Europe (princess Europa and a map) without the bad taste of the stars (EU).
* It refers to the GNU project (a gnu).
* It refers to the old European tradition of free information ("Omnis enim res ...").
* As a graphical logo it avoids the problems with textual logos. (Which letters? Latin, greek, or cyrillic ones? Which language? What does the abbreviation mean at all? The latin text does not count as text here.;-)
* In my view, it has a taste of freedom (riding).
I definitely vote for this one.
Peter
Hi,
Since I seem to be one of those who've started this neverending story, here we go again:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Peter Gerwinski kindly wrote:
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Alessandro Rubini wrote:
I personally _really_ liked the abstract GNU + Europa line drawing we had a while ago
I agree. What's wrong with it?
I also agree, and I do not see anything wrong with it.
I love it, too. And the map in the background has another great feature: Local Associations/Subsections (or whatever) could replace it with their local map/flag. And this would lead to a cooperate identity at least inside the fsfe. And Augustinus' Motto is a great idea too.
--snip--
In case you are not aware of it:
- This is a draft. Anja promised to make high-quality vector versions of this logo, once she knows that she is not working for the recycler.
The style of the lines might be the only thing to critizise for me at the moment - but that doesn't seem to be a problem at the moment.
--snip--
- It refers to the old European tradition of free information ("Omnis enim res ...").
A very good point. Especially if you look at the upcoming (or ongoing) intellectual property debate and the "contributions" coming from the US.
Greetings,
--Georg
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Peter Gerwinski wrote:
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/ and specifically about the most recent variant: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png I definitely vote for this one.
Count me too. This is very, very nice.
On a second thought, I have to agree that the map is a better idea than the stars for our purpose. Too bad that this element is going to be dropped in 1-color prints and shapes... but there is always the typeface logo to be added IMO.
(I really look forward to my FSFE key fab you see :-)
-- mail $(echo bmFxZXJqQG5hcWVyai5iZXQK | base64 -d | rot13) http://3273647156/andrew/
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/ and specifically about the most recent variant: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png I definitely vote for this one.
Count me too. This is very, very nice.
And me.
David Westlund
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/ and specifically about the most recent variant: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png I definitely vote for this one.
Me too!
Gregor Giesen wrote:
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/ and specifically about the most recent variant: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png I definitely vote for this one.
Me too!
Me as well.
Yours, Markus Fleck fleck@gnu.org
Gregor Giesen wrote:
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/ and specifically about the most recent variant: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png I definitely vote for this one.
Me too!
Me as well.
Yours, Markus Fleck fleck@gnu.org
* Peter Gerwinski (peter@gerwinski.de) [010328 19:00]:
Hello,
Alessandro Rubini wrote:
I personally _really_ liked the abstract GNU + Europa line drawing we had a while ago
I agree. What's wrong with it?
I also agree, and I do not see anything wrong with it.
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page
--------SNIP---------
I definitely vote for this one.
Yes, me too.
One argument more against the text-logo. If you look at older logos from e.g. the fifties the fonts look strange to us now. Maybe the text logo from Georg C. Greves Mom looks fine now, maybe it looks strange in twenty years? I think Anjas logo will always look good, and modifictions are easier than at a text logo. (GNU with eyes or without it is every time the same logo.)
Why not making a poll about that? Perhaps for a bigger audience, I think there are many popular free Software web-sites in every country. Why not ask them to host the poll, so the decision is made by the people which should regocnize the logo and like it.
Kind regards Matthias Kabel
Although it's ok, I don't like it _that_ much.(but seem to be outnumbered).
I like Marianne Greves signets much better.
Isn't the FSF also moving away from their Gnu? (I would not want THAT logo anywhere near me).
- Josef
Peter Gerwinski wrote:
We are talking about Anja's variants of "Gnu, Europa, and map" on her page
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/
and specifically about the most recent variant:
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/newlogo-motto.png
I definitely vote for this one.
Me too, though I am wondering, if we apparently can't expect people to know about the original meaning of the 12 stars, how we can expect them to know about the saga and to understand the Latin sentence -- at least I wasn't too aware of the saga before this discussion, and though I'd studied Latin for 6 years at school, without the translation given it would have taken me quite a while to get the meaning of the quote...
Frank
On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 04:39:19PM +0100, Peter Gerwinski wrote:
Alessandro Rubini wrote:
I personally _really_ liked the abstract GNU + Europa line drawing we had a while ago
I agree. What's wrong with it?
I also agree, and I do not see anything wrong with it.
I explained two times what _is_ wrong with it. You have not really addressed my concerns. I still think that the logo has too much details and is not looking serious/professional enough.
Bernhard ps.: looks like some backlogged mails start to tickle in finally.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
I also agree, and I do not see anything wrong with it.
I explained two times what _is_ wrong with it. You have not really addressed my concerns. I still think that the logo has too much details and is not looking serious/professional enough.
I have said before that I like the logo very much. I have not changed my mind, nonetheless I have to agree with Bernhard, at least to some degree.
The logo may actually have too much detail, especially the background-mapped versions (but we see the map may be dropped, at some cost). This is the first and most evident signal for a "lame" logo IMO. But I think this is something that can (and should) be worked on without spoiling its basic concepts.
About the serious/professional issue, that may be partly due to the first observation, but I believe there are other concerns to be taken into account.
We often confuse graphics with art. A logo _must_ not be considered for its "beauty", but for the directness with which it conveys the message it was created to convey (though a beautiful logo is a nice plus IMO).
Said this, I believe that the logo we're talking about carries a strong message of freedom, Europe, and classic culture -- that may not be as serious/professional as the Nike swoosh, but may fit our purpose better. Of course this is my opinion, but I really can't think about explaining on _this_ list why I'd _rather_ care for freedom and culture than business orientation as a message for FSFE.
(please see how rather != only, no flames pls.)
-- andrew
Hello,
Bernhard Reiter wrote:
I explained two times what _is_ wrong with it. You have not really addressed my concerns.
I did so. I suppose you are talking of these concerns:
| We need a logo which can be understood in max. 100x100 pixel _on | screen_. It would be a huge advantage to even have it smaller or | have a small version with even less details. | | we need simpler drafts or a generally different | directions for our ideas.
My answer was:
| * When scaling the logo down to smaller sizes and resolutions, | details can be left out: | - First, the writing ("Omnis enim res ...") can be replaced by | a single line. | - Second, the shadow on the lines of the drawing can be | removed. | - Third, the map can be replaced by a solid color background. | - Finally, the lines can become thicker. | The logo remains recognizable.
Anja also answered and demonstrated that the logo still can be understood in even 50x50 pixel on screen:
| My latest logo suggestion (uploaded in February) meets these | requirements. It works well from high resolution, full color to black | & white only to web page button size. I created some smaller versions | to demonstrate it and cleaned up the web page. They are here: | | http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~anja/gnu/index.html
I still think that the logo has too much details
IMHO this depends on the intended use of a logo.
If you have a company selling boxes, the logo must be as simple as possible because it must be recognized within tenths of seconds while the customer is running through the store (examples: Nike, Adidas, Nivea).
OTOH, if you have an organization "selling" philosophy, a more complex logo stresses the seriousity of the organization. The logo is present on WWW pages and letterheads for a longer time while the "customer" reads the letter or waits for the rest of the WWW page being downloaded. IMHO a "more interesting" (and thus perhaps more complex) logo is a plus here (examples: unicef, FBI, Max-Planck-Gesellschaft).
and is not looking serious/professional enough.
I see no difference between the process with Anja (and others) who suggested a wide range of sketches for the logo, addressed requests, etc. and the process with someone else doing the same while getting paid for it.
Also please remember:
| * This is a draft. Anja promised to make high-quality vector | versions of this logo, once she knows that she is not working | for the recycler.
I still consider this draft suitable for our purposes. We can use it together with the text "FSFE" or "Free Software Foundation Europe" in a well-readable font (I'd suggest a boldface sans-serif font) or separately - or only the text, just as the situation requires.
Greetings,
Peter, speaking for himself and not the FSFE
PS: BTW, yet another plus: Anja did her work using Free Software exclusively. :)