I see the same patterns showing up in this discussion again and again. Most reasonable, sane, and modern people would have quietly excused themselves from fruitless communication. I would like to do the same, but my obligation will not allow it.
I've been privately corresponding with a number of folks from the discussion-list. We suspect that not everyone understands the contemporary context or history of this software movement and therefore could be forgiven for kind-of defaulting to just-a-private-German-club status where a dozen legal members are in absolute charge. This seems to be the direction the office in Berlin would be most pleased with. But, as I said before, in that case I would consider them domain-name-squatters.
We need the answer to a basic question from paid staff:
Besides the obvious recent trend of taking offense at the suggestion that you should do, claiming that most people don't actually want you to do, or just hoping that this discussion will fade-away, soon, what do you consider your job at FSFE to be?
And before you try to flame-bait me into a discussion about your feelings I include this disclaimer: I am not responsible for your feelings weather they be true or not, and I am not willing to see the discussion diverted into minutia. I have to protect myself; I have already been victim of physical bullying while attending Free Software events. You can read my thread for more info on the beat-down in Brussels at FOSDEM 2016. Therefore, I apologise in-advance, I will not be physically attending any meetings or naming individuals.
Hi Joe,
Am Donnerstag 30 August 2018 09:57:04 schrieb Joe Awni:
I see the same patterns showing up in this discussion again and again.
to me there are two topics:
* How should FSFE improve involving supporters and active Free Software people?
* What is respectful behaviour and how do we get there? This includes the unpleasant topic of how single people behave within FSFE and what to do in case friendly talking did not help?
Please let us detangle those topics to make progress.
I've been privately corresponding with a number of folks from the discussion-list. We suspect that not everyone understands the contemporary context or history of this software movement and therefore could be forgiven for kind-of defaulting to just-a-private-German-club status where a dozen legal members are in absolute charge.
Well you can have your view on things of course, but note that the FSF (US) started as Richard Stallman's private club and may still be one, he is an American white male. If you value the contributions of the FSF to the world (Richard personally has gotten more than 20 awards for his work with FSF) then you probably recognise that an association that does not accept everybody as a member does have its merits and can more effectively contribute on a special topic.
Note that there is no "in absolute charge" as we are judged by our actions and in public. As you can see from our PDFreaders, Free your Android or PMPC campaigns, there is a lot of public recognition in Europe and world-wide. There a donors, financial and other supporters, increasingly so over the years (of course with slight ups and downs, but a general trend has continued).
This seems to be the direction the office in Berlin would be most pleased with. But, as I said before, in that case I would consider them domain-name-squatters.
Your tone can be understood as offensive against our Berlin staff members, also note that most members of the e.V. are not in Berlin, nor in the "Berlin office". I would be pleased with a friendly and respectful tone and I'm in Osnabrück. :)
We need the answer to a basic question from paid staff:
Given that I haven't fully understand your question and the overall demanding tone I would understand if most of our people would like to expose themself by trying to answer.
I have to protect myself; I have already been victim of physical bullying while attending Free Software events. You can read my thread for more info on the beat-down in Brussels at FOSDEM 2016. Therefore, I apologise in-advance, I will not be physically attending any meetings or naming individuals.
I am sorry to learn that you have been bullied, I am interested in your story to learn from it for other Free Software events and want to know what the connection to the two topics is. Can you point me to your writings about this? I've browsed your posts, your website and used a search engine, but could not find it. (Feel free to mail me personally.)
Meilleures salutations, Bernhard