Hello, all. I'm a CS student from Stirling, Scotland. I'd probably be considered to be on the "radical" end of the spectrum of the copyright debate (information wants to be free, man!), so I guess I'm the sort of guy you're looking for.
The main page says the FSFE is looking to add organisations in a number of countries, including the UK. It occured to me when I read this that to cover the UK properly there'll have to be seperate organisations in England/Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, because each of these has a seperate legal system.
I was also wondering exactly what we'll be doing- will we engage in direct political lobbying, for example?
-- Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]
|| On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:22 +0000 || "Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]" lordylordy@mad.scientist.com wrote:
l> The main page says the FSFE is looking to add organisations in a l> number of countries, including the UK. It occured to me when I l> read this that to cover the UK properly there'll have to be l> seperate organisations in England/Wales, Scotland, and Northern l> Ireland, because each of these has a seperate legal system.
Good point. We'll keep that in mind.
l> I was also wondering exactly what we'll be doing- will we engage l> in direct political lobbying, for example?
This can be answered with a clear *yes*. In fact it is one of the prime tasks for the FSF Europe as we see it.
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I wish to voice my opinion...
I'm a mathematics student (no, a programmer really, just don't tell anybody I said that) from Finland, with a keen interest in free software and the state of things in general.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 12:02:13PM +0200, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
|| On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:22 +0000 || "Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]" lordylordy@mad.scientist.com wrote: l> I was also wondering exactly what we'll be doing- will we engage l> in direct political lobbying, for example?
This can be answered with a clear *yes*. In fact it is one of the prime tasks for the FSF Europe as we see it.
When I met the FSF first time, it was about a guy, who was unhappy with not being able to share with others, what he perceived as a right thing to do. So, he decided to do something about it. Did he go to protest to Washington DC? Most certainly not...
The work of the politicians is to serve people only in rhetoric. They react to any change demanded by the grassroots, but seek also to control them for their and their supporters' vested interests.
Now that free software as a movement and an economic factor is strong, you may try to deal with politicians all you wish. You may even gain some reforms and avoid the worst from happening. But for the long term I'd just ditch em'. I haven't seen much need for them so far, why would that change all of sudden? The politicians may have power to decide what goes where and what policies are adopted, but the people actually living down here have the final say.
I'd like to see things continue as they have so far. Let free software spread subversively as it has so far, and if there's some government policy somewhere as an obstacle, convince the grassroots to decide, not the government. Government is all about control, just as proprietary software.
Ironically, that's one of the reasons why free software gains considerable support from governments in Europe. They perceive to have more control with uncontrollable free software than with US controlled proprietary software. But, contrary to what some open source types might think, software by itself is not magic. If nobody cares about free software, they'll just outlaw it or work around it (embedded systems anyone?) and proceed with controlling things. But I digress...
Ok, just my random thougths. I'll watch with interest where FSFE will go. Just because something has a "FSF" in its name doesn't mean it does any good.
On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Kari Pahula wrote:
Now that free software as a movement and an economic factor is strong, you may try to deal with politicians all you wish. You may even gain some reforms and avoid the worst from happening. But for the long term I'd just ditch em'. I haven't seen much need for them so far, why would that change all of sudden? The politicians may have power to decide what goes where and what policies are adopted, but the people actually living down here have the final say.
hmmm? the politicians have the power to decide, but the people decide? I'm not sure about that. I think it is important to lobby the politicians for two reasons (so far):
a) they don't know about FS. But you're right, _they_ decide. They need to know about it to be able to decide.
b) once they know it exists, now they've got to see the advantages of free software. More lobbying here.
I'd like to see things continue as they have so far. Let free software spread subversively as it has so far, and if there's some government policy somewhere as an obstacle, convince the grassroots to decide, not the government. Government is all about control, just as proprietary software.
I think the movement has gathered so much momentum that higher levels can be targeted, like governmental levels. And I don't necessarily see Governments as the enemy which tries to control everything. I for my part do believe in democracy.
Ironically, that's one of the reasons why free software gains considerable support from governments in Europe. They perceive to have more control with uncontrollable free software than with US controlled proprietary software. But, contrary to what some open source types might think, software by itself is not magic. If nobody cares about free software, they'll just outlaw it or work around it (embedded systems anyone?) and proceed with controlling things. But I digress...
But this still is the main point: give the governments the oppertunity to shape and control their software to their needs. By controlling their software they don't control you _or_ FS, thanks to the GPL. And I would _much_ rather see my government be in control of an open system, then in dependence of some american security agency (NSA_Key, RSA for Lotus Notes anyone??).
Or did I miss your point completely??
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