--- Sid Dabster wrote: --- "Morris, Simon" Simon.Morris@cmtww.com wrote:
-----QUOTE SID DABSTER----- . Today I have managed to get Steve Ballmer's office fax number, if we had group we could on mass fax that number at particular day. -----END QUOTE-----
I was against the DDOS attack on SCO as I said on the Usenet at the time, and as an innocent bystander whos inbox was filled with the MyDoom virus I did not like it. The reason I have not revealed the FAX number is that I am responisble.
Sid.
You said this evening that you have Steve Ballmers office fax number and if 'we' had a group we could mass fax that number on a particular day.
Firstly how is this any different to Linux advocates DDOSing the SCO site which is an activity you did not like? Which political point are you trying to make by targeting his fax machine in this way?
Secondly if it was a good idea earlier this evening why have you now U-turned under a mask of responsibility? It's either a good idea or not.
As I stated earlier in this discussion I think our energies can be concentrated in a more positive manner
Best Rgds
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--- Simon Morris mozrat@gmail.com wrote:
--- Sid Dabster wrote: --- "Morris, Simon" Simon.Morris@cmtww.com wrote: I was against the DDOS attack on SCO as I said on
the
Usenet at the time, and as an innocent bystander whos inbox was filled with the MyDoom virus I did not like it. The reason I have not revealed the FAX number is that I am responisble.
Sid.
You said this evening that you have Steve Ballmers office fax number and if 'we' had a group we could mass fax that number on a particular day.
Firstly how is this any different to Linux advocates DDOSing the SCO site which is an activity you did not like? Which political point are you trying to make by targeting his fax machine in this way?
Secondly if it was a good idea earlier this evening why have you now U-turned under a mask of responsibility? It's either a good idea or not.
As I stated earlier in this discussion I think our energies can be concentrated in a more positive manner
Best Rgds
Each person would send one fax message only written by hand, not a form letter. This show the receiving organisation be they government or company the strength of felling. The Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS) complained after Colin Baker's Doctor had remained off the air, the BBC recommision the series in response. In Norwich a local green group faxed the council to complain about giving free adverts to the airport. Shout99 asked people to fax their MP about the RIP bill. It is seen a legitmate form of protest. The fact is that even protest marches are technically illegal and stop traffic.
In condemned the DDOS of SCO unlike Bruce Perens and several members of uk.comp.os.linux who claimed SCO had attacked themselves so they could blame the Linux community, this was a strang consipory idea, see Google groups for the details.
There is nothing stopping have a party and having pressure groups, look at the environmental movement who has Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth are pressure groups while the Green Party is a political party.
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Sid Dabster wrote: Dear Sid, i don't believe in this kind of protest. I guess, the only way to break the reign of MS is to develope good software, keep it free and to form standards. Most users a afraid before the lots of configuration possibilities of free software. Change this. If free software succeeds there is no need to show mr balmer how we are all crying cause MS is bigger and stronger.
What if MS would dissappear? Most users could not handle their computers easy. We need an alternativ (i mean a true alternativ- install and run all applications SIMPLE- not 2thousands of different programms, nothing to compile, no care about platforms). If we have this, and system is easier than MS, we'll win. If not- MS is needed.
I do not like MS very much, cause i dislike closed source. But sending faxes with:"hey, stop beeing easy and stop making money" will not work. Mr. Balmer will change his Fax-number.
i would say: make linux so easy like windows is.
And a party just for linux and free software? Its to less. There are too much people who have not enough money to buy a pc. Would they really care about free software?
Say: digital freedom, free human rights and the free choice for a live without caring about money, and i would like it
Cheers Chris
Each person would send one fax message only written by hand, not a form letter. This show the receiving organisation be they government or company the strength of felling. The Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS) complained after Colin Baker's Doctor had remained off the air, the BBC recommision the series in response. In Norwich a local green group faxed the council to complain about giving free adverts to the airport. Shout99 asked people to fax their MP about the RIP bill. It is seen a legitmate form of protest. The fact is that even protest marches are technically illegal and stop traffic.
In condemned the DDOS of SCO unlike Bruce Perens and several members of uk.comp.os.linux who claimed SCO had attacked themselves so they could blame the Linux community, this was a strang consipory idea, see Google groups for the details.
There is nothing stopping have a party and having pressure groups, look at the environmental movement who has Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth are pressure groups while the Green Party is a political party.
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:02:40 +0100, Chris. Grobmeier grobmeier@neotecc.net wrote:
What if MS would dissappear? Most users could not handle their computers easy. We need an alternativ (i mean a true alternativ- install and run all applications SIMPLE- not 2thousands of different programms, nothing to compile, no care about platforms).
I think the thing here is that Linux should offer choice to users. If they want to have 3 different console mode text editors then cool - give people that choice.
You are describing a solution that takes the choice away from people in order to give them a system they can use, Linux can do this as well - and distros such as FC3 and Ubuntu are well on the way.
Windows is just Windows - Linux can be what you need it to be
If we have this, and system is easier than MS, we'll win. If not- MS is needed.
See, this is a mentality I don't understand. What is the definition of the word 'win'? What competition are we in here?
Personally I don't want to see MS go out of business.... undoubtably they produce some decent software (and some truely awful software), and it is their ideology of "screw everyone else, we're OK" that I disagree with.
Linux can follow Microsofts example where the is benefit in doing so, and avoid Microsofts mistakes as well.
If I had to define the word 'Win' it would be a situation where everyone (including MS) is playing on a level playing field and there is no one body that dominates everyone else
I do not like MS very much, cause i dislike closed source. But sending faxes with:"hey, stop beeing easy and stop making money" will not work. Mr. Balmer will change his Fax-number.
I agree
i would say: make linux so easy like windows is.
And a party just for linux and free software? Its to less. There are too much people who have not enough money to buy a pc. Would they really care about free software?
Well - taking my local area as an example. I live in North-East London in a place where people have money enough for day to day but computers are seen as a luxury (although I guess *most* households have a PC but maybe not a broadband connection)
In my local primary school Microsoft have a large poster describing hardware components of a PC with a big advert at the bottom giving students and parents a small discount on Office 2003.
So parents that can't afford the discounted price of Office (and even discounted it's a lot.. I wouldn't pay that much money for a word processor and spreadsheet package) either pirate the software (which I don't agree with) or do without.
This is effectively dividing children into those who's parents can afford Office, and those who cannot. Surely when it comes to education our children should have every opportunity available.
Or they can use a Free software alternative such as OpenOffice. This is the awareness we need to raise about Free software.
MS also sell software to 3rd World countries and Governments whose money would be better served staying inside the country for redevelopment and not winging it's way to Redmond.
Say: digital freedom, free human rights and the free choice for a live without caring about money, and i would like it
Thats a great sentence. I'll remember it
Cheers Chris
Cheers ~sm
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 18:49 +0000, Simon Morris wrote:
Windows is just Windows - Linux can be what you need it to be
I don't understand what you're comparing.
Windows vs Linux? Shouldn't that be kernel32.dll vs Linux?
Or perhaps you're meaning GNU/Linux vs Windows, but many (if not most) of the reasons to use GNU/Linux exist in other Free Software operating systems, like many *BSDs, so what then?
Windows vs Free Software?
Then you're comparing rotten apples with sweet tangerines.
Rui
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:56:28 +0000, Rui Miguel Seabra rms@1407.org wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 18:49 +0000, Simon Morris wrote:
Windows is just Windows - Linux can be what you need it to be
I don't understand what you're comparing.
Windows vs Linux? Shouldn't that be kernel32.dll vs Linux?
Or perhaps you're meaning GNU/Linux vs Windows, but many (if not most) of the reasons to use GNU/Linux exist in other Free Software operating systems, like many *BSDs, so what then?
Windows vs Free Software?
Then you're comparing rotten apples with sweet tangerines.
Hi Rui,
I was trying to say that there are many more varied implementations of Linux than Windows.
For example it is not uncommon for users to start off on a very userfriendly distro such as Mandrake which suits their immediate needs and then move onto a more advanced distro such as Debian when the time comes.
With Windows you get a copy of Windows...... and thats pretty much it. You can't really customise it to suit your experience level (apart from minor UI changes)
Also, I was thinking about the number of distributions and projects that take Linux and suit it to fit a very specific need, such as firewall distros (IPCop, Smoothwall), media distros (Movix), recovery distros (BG-Rescue Linux), distros created purely for localised languages (Arabbix, Blin Linux), distros to run on extremely small devices (Damn Small Linux)
( I used distrowatch.com for that list and barely scratched the surface.. been ages since I looked for new and quirky releases... I need to go buy some blank CD-R's for this weekend )
How about this one... Oralux
"Oralux is a Knoppix-based GNU/Linux distribution for blind or visually impaired people. Its user interface is based on Emacspeak, an audio desktop created by T. V. Raman. Emacspeak offers a complete and powerful desktop. The CD includes Flite, a free Text-To-Speech software available in English and French, but other languages might be included upon request. Oralux provides visually impaired users with the ability to peruse available documentation, send and receive email, browse the Internet and other common tasks."
Can you think of a better example of moulding technology to fit the users needs?
Try and get Windows to do that :)
So my point was with Windows you buy into the product and you get a capable OS, however should you want it to do a very specific task the chances are you are going to have issues. With Linux you can make it how you want it to be
:)
~sm
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:56:28 +0000, Rui Miguel Seabra rms@1407.org wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 18:49 +0000, Simon Morris wrote:
Windows is just Windows - Linux can be what you need it to be
Or perhaps you're meaning GNU/Linux vs Windows, but many (if not most) of the reasons to use GNU/Linux exist in other Free Software operating systems, like many *BSDs, so what then?
Ah, OK. just re-read your post.
Yes, I was referring to the collection of tools around the Linux kernel, not just the kernel itself.
So GNU/Linux or Free Software would have been more accurate.
~sm
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:25:59 -0500 (EST), Sid Dabster sid_dabster@yahoo.ca wrote:
Each person would send one fax message only written by hand, not a form letter. This show the receiving organisation be they government or company the strength of felling.
And what would this fax to Steve Balmer be saying? What message are you proposing we send to him?
The Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS) complained after Colin Baker's Doctor had remained off the air,
Well _everyone_ knows Jon Pertwee was the best Dr Who. I'm sorry but Christopher Eccleston and Billie Piper?!? Pfft
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/characters/doctor/index.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/news/briefhistory/pertwee.shtml
The fact is that even protest marches are technically illegal and stop traffic.
Since last month in the United Kingdom all forms of protest were made illegal
http://beerandspeech.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/world/uk/050228a.html
In condemned the DDOS of SCO unlike Bruce Perens and several members of uk.comp.os.linux who claimed SCO had attacked themselves so they could blame the Linux community, this was a strang consipory idea, see Google groups for the details.
There is nothing stopping have a party and having pressure groups, look at the environmental movement who has Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth are pressure groups while the Green Party is a political party.
In my opinion a pressure group is going to be more effective. We can apply pressure to local governments and organisations to further the cause of the anti-software patent movement
The Free software community is such a disparate bunch of people. As 'the voice' of the community how would you balance the different points of view amongst the community?
For example companies such as IBM and Novell are buying into Linux mainly to strengthen their business model. No doubt the community benefits from their input and investment but lets not have a romantic idea that they are in out of pure love for Free Software.
Contrast that to the work of Debian developers who devote time for little or no monetary benefit.
Different camps within the Linux community argue that Linux should remain less corporate to keep the system free.... or that big corporations should embrace Linux and add their own proprietary extensions.
I think a party to represent the Linux community is trying to cover too many bases - What would your perception be of a "Apple OS X Party - campaigning to get people to use OS 10.3" or a "IBM Thinkpad Party"?
How about forming an anti-software patent party? This is an issue that can draw people together and is more focussed. Plus you can appeal to users of different systems as software patents are bad for everyone who owns a computer
Best Rgds
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* Simon Morris mozrat@gmail.com [2005-03-15 18:00:00 +0000]:
[...]
I think a party to represent the Linux community is trying to cover too many bases - What would your perception be of a "Apple OS X Party
- campaigning to get people to use OS 10.3" or a "IBM Thinkpad Party"?
Btw. there is at least one good party (sorry could not resist): The Freedom Party [1] in Berlin on 19th March 2005 at the Newthinking Store, Tucholskystr. 48, Berlin-Mitte. You are all invited to come.
Best wishes, Matze
1. http://www.fsfe.org/events/freedompartyberlin
Sid Dabster claimed:
In condemned the DDOS of SCO unlike Bruce Perens and several members of uk.comp.os.linux who claimed SCO had attacked themselves so they could blame the Linux community, this was a strang consipory idea, see Google groups for the details.
Bruce Perens condemned the SCO DOS. Please do your basic research and read http://www.perens.com/Articles/SCO/DOS/ before attempting to defame him. He wrote:
Thus, I urge all persons who have sympathy for Free Software, Open Source, and Linux: [...] # Publicly deplore the attacks as an attempt to defame us, and not an effort of our community. Show others this notice.
I may not always agree with Bruce Perens, but it looks like he condemned it (rightly IMO).