Hi,
I see that the situation described in
http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2002-February/002267.html
did not change. Who should we contact to encourage them to actually speak about Free Software ?
Cheers,
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:06:01AM +0200, Loic Dachary wrote:
I see that the situation described in
http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2002-February/002267.html
did not change. Who should we contact to encourage them to actually speak about Free Software ?
I guess someone of icube did subscribe to the campaign. A subscription to the campaign means that the management of icube made the decision. So, if the actual subcriber can not be reached anymore I propose to contact the management of icube and ask why their commitment did not work out in the web pages.
My personal opinion is that if the web pages did not change, also the corporate culture did not adopt the term Free Software nor understand the problem of the other term.
Jan
Jan-Oliver Wagner jan@intevation.de wrote:
My personal opinion is that if the web pages did not change, also the corporate culture did not adopt the term Free Software nor understand the problem of the other term.
On a saddening point, an open source promoter with EC involvement was at a meeting I was at recently, yet he promoted StarOffice as an "open source" alternative. I'm rather confused by this. I am right in thinking that it is restrictively licensed, am I not? It looks it to me, but am I going mad?
(If that person is reading this list now, "hi".)
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:46:29PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Jan-Oliver Wagner jan@intevation.de wrote:
My personal opinion is that if the web pages did not change, also the corporate culture did not adopt the term Free Software nor understand the problem of the other term.
On a saddening point, an open source promoter with EC involvement was at a meeting I was at recently, yet he promoted StarOffice as an "open source" alternative. I'm rather confused by this. I am right in thinking that it is restrictively licensed, am I not? It looks it to me, but am I going mad?
no, you are not going mad :-) StarOffice is _no_ Free Software.
Yesterday I had a talk on Free Software and GIS at University of Münster and exactly the same statement came up from the audience. It is really interesting how it evolved that so many people think of StarOffice as Free Software.
Jan
The real problem is:
Too many People yet think Free Software == gratis/freeware!
Form this error it comes: StarOffice == gratis/freeware == FS
If you change the formula to be Free Software != gratis/freeware! then also StarOffice == gratis/freeware != FS works
Unfortunately we tend to assume others understood that concept simply because THEY now use the these terms and WE know what they means, but the fact that others use the term Free Software (or Open Source) does not mean at all they understand what it means fully!
There's lot to do yet! Simo.
On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 18:27, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:46:29PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Jan-Oliver Wagner jan@intevation.de wrote:
My personal opinion is that if the web pages did not change, also the corporate culture did not adopt the term Free Software nor understand the problem of the other term.
On a saddening point, an open source promoter with EC involvement was at a meeting I was at recently, yet he promoted StarOffice as an "open source" alternative. I'm rather confused by this. I am right in thinking that it is restrictively licensed, am I not? It looks it to me, but am I going mad?
no, you are not going mad :-) StarOffice is _no_ Free Software.
Yesterday I had a talk on Free Software and GIS at University of Münster and exactly the same statement came up from the audience. It is really interesting how it evolved that so many people think of StarOffice as Free Software.
Jan
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:55:15PM +0200, Simo Sorce wrote:
The real problem is:
Too many People yet think Free Software == gratis/freeware!
Form this error it comes: StarOffice == gratis/freeware == FS
If you change the formula to be Free Software != gratis/freeware! then also StarOffice == gratis/freeware != FS works
that is not the real problem in many cases: I might have created some confusion because I don't use the other word for Free Software :-) Will do now as an exception:
Many people said to me, "StarOffice is Open Source". My answer is: StarOffice is no Free Software, you don't even get the source".
Jan
Hi!
Jan-Oliver Wagner jan@intevation.de wrote:
Yesterday I had a talk on Free Software and GIS at University of Münster and exactly the same statement came up from the audience. It is really interesting how it evolved that so many people think of StarOffice as Free Software.
I think that in this case, people say it's Free Software because it shares most of its code with OpenOffice.org, which indeed is Free Software. And at least it should be easy to switch from StarOffice to OpenOffice.org.
But it's certainly not because people think Free Software == Freeware.
Cheers, GNU/Wolfgang
On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 19:39, Wolfgang Jährling wrote:
But it's certainly not because people think Free Software == Freeware.
It really depends on what do you mean with "people", I'm advocating within non coumputer related people and they do NOT understand difference beetween freeware/shareware/free software/open source/shared source/whatever ...
... when they know at all that software is something that exist without the machine and that Windows is not the only and first OS (when they know what an OS is) on the earth. Some simply do not realize that a game consolle or their microwave have a comupetr inside.
I just want to say: do not think people generally know what software is, pretending they know what Free Software is, is just too much :)