From mjr@dsl.pipex.com Tue Mar 19 16:36:43 2002
I AM AT CEBIT NOW
AND I AM AT WORK TOO. What has that to do with this?
There is limited time for useless discussions at CeBIT.
If you are unable to understand this stay quiet.
Why? Ignorance has not prevented you spouting erroneous views on unrelated topics. At least I know a little of the one I wanted to discuss with you, the Debian BTS. Sadly, you do not want to learn.
It is bad to see that you don't like to lean. If you like to discuss things about the Debian BTS, then just stay with the topic.
If you are unwilling to read documentation, it does not make sense to discuss anything with you. Everything you ask is documented, so why should I spend my time and write things that I did already write years ago.
I have read available documentation, but you usually give no references.
This sounds silly again. All the information for cdrecord is inside the source package. As you like to talk about the cdrecord package woudn't it make sense to you to first read the documentation before you start to discuss things about cdrecord?
The things that I have read on your private site do not fully explain the issues which I am attempting to raise, yet you still try to claim that you have already addressed them and I am not reading your documentation.
What is this related to? Please write things in a way so it is possible to comment.
To be frank, you could design the most wonderful replacement for make ever created, but if you can neither effectively communicate that fact nor see that you cannot communicate it, your solution will make no progress. All the ranting about other people needing to READ things will make no difference.
The better is the enemy of the good. It seems that you just have a problem because you are at the side of the good and not at the side of the better.
However, the first thing to start with a project from another person would be to read the documentation that comes with the project and you just did obviously not read this documentation. If you likt to discuss things, please first read the documentation you already have.
On the make included files issue, you should remember that even your own documentation claims that your desired feature is non-standard. Nothing like consistency, eh?
I don't what this should be related to. Sorry, if you ike a discussion YOU need to give references. I always did give the references for the informagtion you need to read before we may discuss the makefile system: cdrecord's documentation. If you don't give references, we should rather stop this discussion.
Jörg
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 schilling@fokus.gmd.de (work) chars I am J"org Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix
FOKUS at CeBIT Hall 11, A14 - BerliOS at CeBIT Hall 11 D11 (Future Market)
Meet me at CeBIT in Hall 11 D11 on the BerliOS booth - www.berlios.de
Joerg Schilling schilling@fokus.gmd.de wrote:
There is limited time for useless discussions at CeBIT.
This is just a short apology for contributing to the list traffic with this "useless discussion" distraction. I could give you a sob story about what is happening here and why I'm not feeling my usual slef, but it doesn't excuse my tone and some of the emails of the last few days.
I'm returning to dealing with less "useless" matters and will doubtless be writing to the list again later about more interesting things.
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Ray First thing I learnt on a (one and only) management course was always to always have someone who speaks against most things in your project, because you can be sure something is going horribly wrong if anyone agrees.
As for sob stories - i've done it here when I got pissed off with world *cough*
:)
JohnFlux