Alistair Davidson wrote:
Wim De Smet wrote:
John Peter Tapsell said:
Just to troll....
Why do we /want/ newbies to be able to use gnome? The current generation of clueless (l)users are going to be dead a
20-30
years
anyway, and it is our future generations that need to be catered for.
I started off on an old spectrum 48k (ah those were the days) where
it
was all
CLI, where you could program your own games, and had to program your
own
assembler to write assembly :)
My concern is that we are dumbing it down, and making it _harder_ for
users in
the long run. I used DOS, then windows, etc, and had to fix all the problems myself
etc
But it made me learn how it worked, it forced me to think, and to
understand.
Having to work with the computer, not expecting the computer to work
on my
terms.
I already feel sorry this generation comming up, starting off on
windows
98,
with no source code to play with etc. How are they ever going to
learn?
on the spectrum, a lot of games were written in basic, and were easy
to
follow
and alter.
And now, with all this trouble of dumbing down the interface, you want
to
do
that _more_ to gnome?? I say no! I say, make the users think dammit!
Make
the users read man pages, understand the OS a little. If they want something nice and simple, use KDE, or go use a mac.
I want a gnome that is useful for _me_. A professional coder, and
linux
user.
Newbies add no real value, where as make it good for a new coder, and
he
might
just help out with it.
If gnome was mainly for profit, then I'd see why you'd want the newbie
users,
but it's not, so stop trying to dumb down my interface!
</troll>
I agree (almost) completely. We don't want to dumb it down to the point where one doesn't see what the os is doing (i.e. Windows).
I couldn't disagree more. The user interface should be as independent from the OS structure as possible. The aim of a UI is to be usable. It should help users of any skill level perform the tasks they need to perform.
Yeah, probably, maybe I was being to extreme, see further.
That doesn't mean "dumbing down". What it means is structuring menu items and so on in a manner that corresponds to what is intuitive, not to what OS structure is the most efficient. Anythign else misses the whole point of modularity.
In much the same way as the kernel should be optimised to be as fast and stable as possible, the UI should be optimised to be as usable as possible. All the same functions should still be there, but it does no harm to move the more complex ones to an "advanced" tab and to arrange things logically (like having one unified font selection menu rather than three seperate ones).
These are actually some things I wouldn't mind seeing too. But I also think that it shouldn't influence the UI in a way that it loses transparancy and, in effect, power (or how would one describe that?). The reason I mention windows is that this is a perfect example of how the developers focus on one users group (the newbies, who they seem to consider the only user group) and in that effort create redundant systems that harm the os's efficiency and (again) transparancy. Transparancy is what I really like about linux. This is my fear in watching some of the suggestions in the sun gnome usability report.
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