Discussion November 2001

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European DMCA
by João Miguel Neves 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

For those who think that Dmitry Sklyarov's arrest was just possible in the USA, think again. The "Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001" simply brings DMCA-like laws to all the EU space. This directive must be made law by all countries by 22 December 2002. The complete text can be found at http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexapi!prod!CELEXnumdo… For me the most important (and dangerous) is article 7: Article 7 Obligations concerning rights-management information 1. Member States shall provide for adequate legal protection against any person knowingly performing without authority any of the following acts: (a) the removal or alteration of any electronic rights-management information; (b) the distribution, importation for distribution, broadcasting, communication or making available to the public of works or other subject-matter protected under this Directive or under Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC from which electronic rights-management information has been removed or altered without authority, if such person knows, or has reasonable grounds to know, that by so doing he is inducing, enabling, facilitating or concealing an infringement of any copyright or any rights related to copyright as provided by law, or of the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC. 2. For the purposes of this Directive, the expression "rights-management information" means any information provided by rightholders which identifies the work or other subject-matter referred to in this Directive or covered by the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC, the author or any other rightholder, or information about the terms and conditions of use of the work or other subject-matter, and any numbers or codes that represent such information. The first subparagraph shall apply when any of these items of information is associated with a copy of, or appears in connection with the communication to the public of, a work or other subjectmatter referred to in this Directive or covered by the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC. What should we do ? Anyone experienced in political lobbying ? -- Joao Miguel Neves

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steuerfreie Spenden in Österreich (war: Dissusion: " Wie für Linux/OpenSource spenden?")
by Reinhard Müller 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

Georg Jakob wrote: > Eine steuerrechtlich anerkannte Gemmeinuetzigkeit iS des deutschen > Rechts gibt es in Oesterreich nicht. (IANAL, ich habe diese Informationen nur aus irgendwelchen Büchern oder aus dem Internet herausgelesen) Es gibt eine Liste von Institutionen, an die nach Par.4 Abs.4 Z.5 lit.e EStG 1988 steuerbegünstigt gespendet werden kann. Diese Liste kann z.B. im Internet unter http://www.bmf.gv.at/steuern/einkommensteuer/erlaesse/spenden/spendenliste2… abgefragt werden. Die Liste umfaßt ca. 300 Institutionen. Nachdem in dieser Liste nicht nur die "Österreichische Gesellschaft für Ameisenkunde" oder der "Verein zur Förderung der Tierzahnheilkunde" aufscheinen, sondern auch der "Verein zur Erforschung von Informationstechnologien" oder die "Engagierten Computer-Expertinnen (ECE)", denke ich, daß hier auch für die FFS und/oder ein österreichisches Chapter der FSF Euope Platz wäre. Die Sponsorengeschichte könnte etwas heiß sein, da es lt. Erkenntnis des VwGH (25.1.1989, 88/13/0073, Tennisanzüge für einen Tennisverein) an der typischen Werbewirksamkeit fehlt, wenn der Verein nur einem kleinen Personenkreis bekannt ist. Danke, -- Reinhard Müller BYTEWISE Software GmbH A-6890 Lustenau, Enga 2 Tel +43 (5577) 89877-0 Fax +43 (5577) 89877-66 http://www.bytewise.at

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RMS' archievements as seen by LWN readers
by Bernhard Reiter 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

http://lwn.net/2001/1129/letters.php3 Err... you know that I read LWN sometimes. For the people not being regular readers I like to share the little story about RMS' archievements. Prelude: RMS was awarded the Takeda Award (~800 000 Euro) together with two other people. Dave Winer does not think he deserves the money, but SF might... Complication: The tech might have reported the wrong amount.. it's only 1/3 for him thinks RMS. Action: LWN reports about this and a couple of readers write letters to stand to defend RMS: http://lwn.net/2001/1129/letters.php3 | From: Richard Kay <rich(a)copsewood.net> | Richard Stallman (RMS) has probably done more than anyone to promote | software reuse. In this respect his GPL represents one of the most | effective works of software engineering ever written | From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> | I've watched "open source" software for a very long time; I go back | to at least 1982 on Usenet, and a bit before that in working with | Unix, Xenix, and their ilk. I am right here to tell you that the | driving force behind the creation and expansion of large, | multi-programmer projects in that arena has been Stallman's General | Public License. Happy end? It depends on all the tiny little things that this pointer on discussion@ is not able to summarize completly...

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Announcement: Jonas Oberg new Vice President of the FSF Europe
by FSF Europe 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Press-release of the Free Software Foundation Europe For immediate release "Jonas Oberg new Vice President of the FSF Europe" On November 22nd, 2001, Jonas Oberg was appointed Vice President of the Free Software Foundation Europe. Former Vice President, Loic Dachary, has passed on his office because he needs to pursue other activities within the Free Software community. Having been involved in the FSF Europe since its founding, Loic has been an important member of the core team and has been instrumental in the process of establishing a foundation for a French local chapter. He has also worked hard with the FSF Europe web pages and contributes continously, among other things, as a system administrator for several machines. "My agenda on various Free Software related subjects, such as Savannah (savannah.gnu.org) do not allow me to devote enough time to the Vice President position in the Free Software Foundation Europe," says Loic Dachary. "Instead of keeping the title without acting accordingly, I'm passing the charge to Jonas." Jonas has been involved in the Free Software community for numerous years. He has previously worked as chief webmaster for the GNU Project and has participated in several Free Software projects, such as the GNU Enterprise project. The focus of his work now is the development and furthering of Free Software all over Europe and in particular the Scandinavian countries. "The future of Free Software depends a lot on what we do today," says Jonas Oberg, newly appointed Vice President of the FSF Europe. "I plan to work to preserve the ability to use and develop Free Software in all of its forms, for example by helping to extend the efforts already underway against software patents and helping the media, government and companies understand the underlying issues of Free Software." About the FSF Europe: The Free Software Foundation Europe is the European sister organization of the Free Software Foundation created 1985 by Richard M. Stallman in the United States of America. Principal goals of the FSF Europe are coordination of Free Software initiatives throughout Europe, providing a Free Software competence-center for politicians and journalists and infrastructure for Free Software projects, especially the GNU Project. Further information about the FSF Europe can be found at http://fsfeurope.org Contact: Europe Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)gnu.org> Tel: +49-40-23809080 Fax: +49-40-23809081 France Frederic Couchet <fcouchet(a)april.org> Tel: +33 6 60 68 89 31 Germany Bernhard Reiter <bernhard(a)intevation.de> Tel: +49-541 - 335 08 - 33 Italy Alessandro Rubini <rubini(a)gnu.org> Tel: +39-0382-529.554 (o .424) Fax: +39-0382-529.424 Sweden Jonas Öberg <jonas(a)gnu.org> Tel: +46-21-144831 Further press contact information is available at http://fsfeurope.org/press/

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hi
by joaco＠bocazas.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Buenas! Soy Joaquin Grech, o Creative1. La version en castellano la pongo al final del email. (ojo que no son exactamente iguales) Hi there! This is Joaquin Grech, an NYU student... First I appologize if you shouldn't be receiving this email, I am replying to my whole inbox (I had no idea I had more than 20000 email address on it) and I removed by hand some of them but I couldn't remove all of them. Anyway, since you are in my inbox you know me for one or another reason :) As you most likely know, Im currently in Madrid working my butt off to try to get money and finish my degree at nyu. Ironically nyu has its special International Students Office and clubs, but do NOT give any kind of scholarship or finantial help to international students. So at my senior year Im seen that most likely I won't be able to finish my degree eventhough the Office International Students' dean (Anne Blatz) keeps in touch with me and seriously, she tries her best to help us (international students) out, I have no complain about her as been the best dean I know. Ok, enough bitching about nyu... The point is, with the money I paid a semester tuition at nyu Im able to start 10 companies in Spain (that gives lot to think about...), so that's what I did. I have started my own company to try to get enough money to go back to ny and get my degree before deadline, and here is the result: http://www.bocazas.com The idea behind bocazas is to make publicly available what I was doing for years, anytime I had a question or was searching for information I wrote at forums, searched the web, but most importantly I entered a chat network and joined whatever channel (#math #history #c++) and asked for help. I even started several years ago my own non-profit chat network joining some universities and companies as most of you know, which is currently the biggest latino international chat network in the world (20000 users per day), but lot of people doesn't even know that the chat can be of so much help, they see it as a 'flirt' place. So yeah, you can go into bocazas, register your own channel of whatever kind of subject you like in any chat network or enter any registered channel that already figures there (any language, any country, etc...) and put a direct link from your own website (or email) I also added forums just in case you need them and added my own chat program that can be downloaded and put in any website (on this first week I got more than 700 downloads and very good comments on it, I'm sleeping quite happy lately, I must admit that the program is quite impressive too :) Ok, all of that is for free, so you might be wondering how I'm planning to get money. Well, right now I have 3 options: 1) The chat program you use has publicity, my website has publicity, and as today it is showing more than 30000 banners per day, so if anybody wants to put publicity on it... you are more than welcome :) 2) If anybody wants the chat program modified without showing my logo or banners, and showing your logo and your banner (like any internet portal or company), you can register it. 3) If anybody wants to remove my logo and ads from the forum they can pay a fee too, so they can add that on their company website. Ok, basically that's it, thanks alot to most of you guys who have been very supportive testing all my programming 'skills' (yep, I call those numerous old crashes skills hehe :) and special thanks to my nyu (Tete, Joe, Deana) and union latina friends (Juanito, Floria, Trencitas, Praedo, Natja, Mundofly...) who are there always for me. ps. I hope nyu sees that it is irrational not to give their own merit scholarships to ANY nyu student, EVEN international ones (and I don't mean a $2000 for a $32000 tuition) I hope some smart guy at nyu get this email. Economy is down big time in other countries compared to USA, that amount is huge! Joaquin Grech (personal email creative1(a)bigfoot.com) whatever question about bocazas info(a)bocazas.com http://www.bocazas.com http://www.creative1.net ------ Version en castellano ----- Buenas! Primero disculpadme sino deberiais estar recibiendo este email, estoy respondiendo a todo mi buzon de inbox (no tenia ni idea de que tenia mas de 20000 direcciones email ahi) y he borrado unas cuantas a mano pero no he podido con todas. De todas formas si estas en mi inbox es que me debes de conocer por uno u otro motivo :) Como seguramente sepas, actualmente estoy en Madrid matandome a currar para conseguir dinero y terminar mi carrera en la universidad de nueva york (nyu). Curiosamente nyu tiene su particular club y oficina para estudiantes internacionales pero no dan un duro en becas ni en nada si eres extranjero. Asi que me temo que a falta de un a€o para terminar mi carrera no podre conseguirlo por falta de dinero, a pesar e que estoy en contacto continuo con la dean de la oficina de estudiantes internacionales (Anne Blatz) quien, todo hay que decirlo, intenta ayudarme como buenamente puede. (Es la mejor dean de la universidad para mi gusto). Bueno, dejo de quejarme de nyu... A lo que iba, con el dinero que cuesta pagar un semestre en nyu, puedo empezar casi 10 compa€ias en Espa€a (lo cual da mucho que pensar...), asi que eso hice. He empezado mi propia empresa para intentar conseguir suficiente dinero y volver a ny para terminar la carrera antes de la fecha limite, y el resultado ha sido: http://www.bocazas.com La idea detras de bocazas (si ya se que el nombre se las trae, ya contare algun dia su historia) es intentar hacer publico lo que llevo haciendo por varios a€os, siempre que he tenido alguna duda o necesitaba ayuda inmediata sobre un tema en concreto, escribia en los foros, buscaba por internet, pero sobre todo, entraba a alguna red de chat al canal adecuado (#matematicas #cine #c++) y pedia ayuda. Incluso hace unos a€os llegue a empezar mi propia red de chat sin animo de lucro, convirtiendose en el chat latino internacional mas grande del mundo con mas de 20000 usuarios al dia. Pero el problema es que la gran mayoria de la gente no sabe la gran ayuda que puede ser un canal de chat y solo lo ven como un sitio de 'ligoteo' lleno de 'raritos'. Asi que ahora mismo, puedes ir a bocazas, registrar tu propio canal del tema que te apetezca en cualquier red y en cualquier idioma o utilizar cualquiera de los canales ahi ya listados y linkarlo desde tu propia pagina web (o incluso desde el email). Tambien he a€adido unos foros por si acaso los necesitais y me he currado mi propio programa de chat que puede bajarse e instalarse en cualquier pagina web (en esta primera semana se han bajado 700 y con muy buenos comentarios http://www.galeon.com/sologratis/bocazas.html (lo han descrito mejor que yo jejeje) asi que estoy bastante contento, aunque debo admitir que el programa me ha quedado bastante cuco :) Bueno, asi que todo esto es gratis, entonces me preguntaras de donde pienso sacar dinero a este paso? Bueno, pues ahora mismo tengo 3 vias de ingresos principales: 1) El programa de chat que utilizais tiene publicidad, mi web tiene publicidad y hoy en dia muestra mas de 30000 anuncios al dia, asi que si alguien quiere poner publicidad... eres bienvenido :) 2) Si alguien quiere mi programa de chat modificado para que no muestre ni mi logo ni mis anuncios, y que muestre tus logos y tus anuncios (como un portal o una compa€ia), lo puedes registrar. 3) Si alguien quiere quitar mi logo y mis anuncios de los foros, pueden pagar una tarifa y asi podran linkarlo desde su propia web sin que se note donde esta. Asi que basicamente eso es todo, muchas gracias a la mayoria de vosotros que ha estado apoyandome y comprobando mis habilidades informaticas (si, si, todos esos fallos que me ayudasteis a corregir eran habilidades informaticas) y gracias especialmente a mis amigos en nyu (Tete, Joe, Deana) y mis amigos en union latina (Juanito, Floria, Trencitas, Praedo, Natja, Mundofly...) quienes estan siempre ahi echandome un cable. ps. Hay que ser melones en nyu para no ver que las becas se deberian dar a todos los estudiantes por igual y no solo a los americanos. Joaquin Grech (email personal creative1(a)bigfoot.com) Cualquier tema relacionado con bocazas info(a)bocazas.com) http://www.bocazas.com http://www.creative1.net ______________________________________________________________________ This E-mail was sent using JCourier 2000, 1.2 - an E-mail Auto-Responder, Bulk-Mailer and Auto-Forwarding software. For more information and FREE download - visit http://www.myjavaworld.com

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Re: LWN mentions FSFE campaigne.
by MJ Ray 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

Bernhard, > Sorry I was so quick in citing this. It did not occur to me > that people might think it was me doing the work. > I just tipped LWN off and they usually acknowledge this > and thank the contributor this way. Oh no, my first thanks were to you for tipping LWN off. Getting the word out is usually a valuable act and quite a lot of leg-work with all hands needed. But, of course, I also thank the FSFE team as a whole for this wonderful initiative. I'm just sorry that some local difficulties have prevented us from helping as much as we want to. -- MJR

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Re: The FSF Europe recommends: avoid SourceForge
by MJ Ray 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

> We posted it to our lists & web site; Loic additionally posted it to > Advogato.org. We had no part in posting it anywhere else although I've > seen it featured in other places like slashdot. Sorry, Georg, this is not completely true. The LinuxFR story says "Post� par Loic Dachary." I ask again: where else has it been submitted? What did FSFEurope hope to achieve here? Do they feel that this has been the most effective and efficient way to achieve it? If it was just to create fear, uncertainty and doubt about VA centralising hosting, then was that a noble aim? If it was to try to get a bit more balance in the distribution of open project hosting, I think there are better ways to do it and you should publically declare your support for some of them. It would restore my dented faith in you. Yeah, I'm going off the deep end here, but this thing stinks. -- MJR

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Re: LWN mentions FSFE campaigne.
by MJ Ray 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

> http://lwn.net/daily/ > It's endorsed by a number of European free software companies. (Thanks > to Bernhard Reiter). I think we can all echo those thanks. Things have just gone a little bananas here, so no press release in support of it from luminas yet. I'm a little surpised at the speed of the response, or maybe it's just coincidence ;-) Of course, if anyone is sending us enquiries about our application development services right now, we may take a few more hours than normal to answer. Sorry. Finally, can the link to our site be changed to "http://www.luminas.co.uk/" please? It looks a bit bad for a QA-focused, web-centric, non-shotgun-totin' (sorry, got carried away!) dev company to be going out with a misshapen URL as their signature. Thanks again! -- MJR

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Luxembourg & Patent
by Alexandre Dulaunoy 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

http://www.etat.lu/ECO/colloque.pdf The Luxembourg gvt. seems to be favorable to software patents. We will go to this session to talk about our position : the danger of software patent in software innovation (free software) and mathematics. If you have any comment or you want to join, don't hesitate to contact me. alx -- --- Alexandre Dulaunoy adulau(a)conostix.com http://www.conostix.com/

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Germany & Patents
by Loic Dachary 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Hi, Articles were published commenting on the recent official position of the German government against patents. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2826171,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnew… http://fr.news.yahoo.com/011121/35/2a0op.html http://www.vnunet.fr/actu/article.htm?numero=8803 I was not able to find the exact text (is there an interview somewhere ?). Also some comments worry me since they seem to imply that the study on which the German government position is based recommends that the "software patent process should be simplified". I'm a bit confused here, does someone have precise information on this subject ? Cheers, -- Loic Dachary http://www.dachary.org/ loic(a)dachary.org 24 av Secretan http://www.senga.org/ loic(a)senga.org 75019 Paris T: 33 1 42 45 09 16 loic(a)gnu.org GPG Public Key: http://www.dachary.org/loic/gpg.txt

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