<html><head></head><body>Thanks a lot for the details on this decision!<br><br>Hmmm, I am wondering whether its fair to say that to me it looks like XMPP development has slowed down and Matrix is still going strong? As I would assume all point from your list could implemented in XMPP as well, right?<br>(again this efficiency-centric thinking ;)<br><br>Greetings<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 16. März 2022 17:23:51 MEZ schrieb Max Mehl <max.mehl@fsfe.org>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre dir="auto" class="k9mail">~ Dr. Trigon [2022-03-16 15:10 +0100]:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Free Software and offers additional value for our community, and<br></blockquote><br>What is the additional value? (just curious)<br></blockquote><br>In the process of FSFE teams deciding to switch to Matrix, quite a few<br>have been brought up. IIRC, just from the top of my head and rephrasing:<br><br>* Reactions to messages (like thumbs-up)<br>* More people use Matrix, therefore easier to attract new audiences<br>* More reliable archiving<br>* Upcoming features like polls<br>* Federated rooms with multiple addresses allow preserving a room if the<br> "original" server it was hosted on is offline temporarily or<br> permanently<br>* Easy and seamless encryption, also for group chats<br>* Spaces allow for easy hierarchy and organisation of rooms<br>* Feels more actively developed and at the same time usable on all<br> servers. Good interoperability of advanced features<br><br>All these points may have downsides, and in some cases XMPP may even be<br>better (e.g. OMEMO has a few cryptographic advantages in terms of<br>perfect forward secrecy). Also the client side of Matrix is admittedly<br>far from perfect as the protocol is developed rapidly. Again, it's not<br>an obvious choice, and I hope that fair and healthy competition benefits<br>both (and more) worlds.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">see defects or bad developments, but let us also try to fix these<br>issues. If they are unsolvable, one should at least try to make the<br>competing software solution (in this case XMPP, but also sysinit etc)<br></blockquote><br>That is another good point. What facts would make you state "it is unsolvable"? To me the critics cited target the foundation of Matrix and from that I concluded even if it can be fixed it might be very costly and thus it's not worth the try. Just thinking aloud...<br></blockquote><br>That can be a hard or soft fact. If the repository owner or project lead<br>is unresponsive and thereby let's the project die slowly, issues are<br>unsolvable, at least in this space (forks to the rescue). Also a license<br>change to a proprietary license is a hard no-no for our community.<br><br>But it could also be that you have personal difficulties with lead<br>developers, or that you generally dislike the strategy of a project.<br>Well, instead of badmouthing the project then, I am suggesting to invest<br>your energy in a project or initiative you prefer.<br><br>Best,<br>Max<br><br><div class="k9mail-signature">-- <br>Max Mehl - Programme Manager -- Free Software Foundation Europe<br>Contact and information: <a href="https://fsfe.org/about/mehl">https://fsfe.org/about/mehl</a> -- @mxmehl<br>The FSFE is a charity that empowers users to control technology<hr>Discussion mailing list<br>Discussion@lists.fsfe.org<br><a href="https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion">https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion</a><br><br>This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All<br>participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other:<br><a href="https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct">https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct</a><br></div></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>