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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/01/2017 09:54 AM,
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Re: FSFE in Outreachy?</td>
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Carmen Bianca Bakker <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carmenbianca@fsfe.org"><carmenbianca@fsfe.org></a></td>
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Dear Carmen<br>
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This is my first post on this list that I have been lurking for some
time but it is very impossible for me to let this be said without
reacting.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Re-posting the below, which ended up on the wrong mailing list:
Hi,
I don't know if it's okay if I add my five cents (adjusted for
inflation), but I'm reasonably well-read on this and adjacent topics, as
well as included in the list of minorities that would be sponsored under
the Outreachy program.</pre>
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Carmen, the fact that you are a women does not make your voice any
more important in pulling down a fight that others have led for
years in order to change as little as they could current worlds
order.<br>
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But I am unequivocally against such programs, on the simple grounds that
it tries to combat discrimination <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>through<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> discrimination, which is
about as silly to me as trying to achieve world peace through war.</pre>
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I do not see any relation between building programs to encourage
diversity and war could you please expand.<br>
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<pre wrap=""> It
generates envy/antipathy in individuals from groups that are excluded
from the given list of minorities, and it generates imposter syndrome in
those who are, </pre>
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I do not think the people who are victims of centuries of
paternalist government and colonialism should feel responsible of
what the white governing people fell. I really do not care about
what they feel actually, I am more interested on what the persons
who are victim of segregation feel.<br>
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<pre wrap="">because they might only be hired/accepted because of
their status as minority, rather than excelling in their skillset.</pre>
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I do not see why people would hire anyone for anything else then
their skills. Also women and/or black people are not a minority
women compose more then 50% of the world population and white people
in general only compose 1/8 of worlds population, it is white men
that are a minority in this world, but it is also them who run it. <br>
Also what you say implies that non white male might have less skills
then white male, could you please state references for what you are
saying here.<br>
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I would be very against getting involved in this program, though I know
that the FSFE currently practises positive discrmination selection
standards for its internship program:
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<pre wrap="">We want more women to be involved in Free Software. That's why we will
give preference to applications from suitably qualified female
candidates.
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<pre wrap="">from <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fsfe.org/contribute/internship.en.html">https://fsfe.org/contribute/internship.en.html</a>
I'd personally be a little bit disappointed if this carried any
significance in my being selected as intern, because I do believe that I
can hold my own with my unique skillset.</pre>
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I really do not see why you should be judged like this and please
feel reassured no-one has any reason to think that.<br>
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On Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:43:59 CEST Daniel Pocock wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Increasing diversity could also help avoid situations like this in
future.
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<pre wrap="">I don't know if there is any evidence to suggest this. Where there are
humans, things sometimes go awry. Having a more ethnically/sexually
diverse cast of humans doesn't change that.</pre>
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Could you please reference what you say because I happen to think
the exact contrary, <br>
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regards<br>
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natacha<br>
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