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* simo wrote, On 21/11/07 15:23:
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:59 +0000, Sam Liddicott wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Could you explain how I am trolling?
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I find it evident, the first thing I commented is false, the second too,
as a license cannot oppose anything, a license is just a tool.
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it was a literary device, and somehow you knew what I meant.<br>
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<pre wrap="">I've just gone from a genuine GPL3 supporter to a genuine GPL3
opponent.
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I am glad you will stop using my software, maybe my bandwidth too ? :-)#
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no, why?<br>
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<pre wrap="">(And I'm wondering how I missed the AGPL section in the GPL3 'cos I
did follow the process).
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Maybe because you should think and reason around the license and not
jump on the first bump emotionally ?
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I think it's because I got lax through re-reading things that didn't
change much.<br>
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True you can combine the GPLv3 work with AGPLv3, so what? </pre>
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Thats the point. It's "so what to you" but not to me.<br>
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<pre wrap="">You can't
"relicense" under AGPL, you can only combine works. It means you need an
existing work under the GPLv3 and and existing one under the AGPL. In
that case you can combine the 2 and the AGPL clause can kick in, big
deal.
What scares you so much about that?
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nothing<br>
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<pre wrap="">That someone can take your work *under the GPLv3* and combine it with
some AGPLv3 stuff and release a web app? Wow, and how is that going to
make *your* life miserable, or that of the *users* of that service?
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it's not.<br>
But it creates a disparity of commitment and expectation with ME.<br>
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If I did use GPL3, then I can't re-use the AGPL enhancements under the
same terms under I'm willing to let others use my work, simply because
I'm not willing to let others add the extra AGPL restriction. So GPL3
is (by definition) the wrong license for me.<br>
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You are assuming that:
a) some of your work can be combined with a web app.
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Yes, I wrote a nice html object oriented templating system that
compiles html to a hierachy of subclassable php classes.<br>
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<pre wrap="">b) someone is interested in using it
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yes, they keep downloading it<br>
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<pre wrap="">c) someone is interested in pissing you off by using it and release your
work combined with AGPLv3
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or they want to combine it with another work that is already AGPL<br>
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<pre wrap="">d) someone is so bad that will not let you have anything useful back
under the GPLv3 because they simply despise someone that allowed them to
finish their work
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the extra enhancements are not all theirs<br>
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<pre wrap="">e) anything that is useful for that web app is really something you want
back.
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it will be too late then, won't it.<br>
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Now you are giving this remote possibility so much importance that it
makes you flip completely from "a genuine GPL3 supporter to a genuine
GPL3 opponent".
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yes. To you it's remote because you don't know me and don't care.<br>
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To me it's real which is why it's worth talking about.<br>
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I talk about things because they matter to me. I don't censor my views
or concerns through an emulation of you.<br>
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<pre wrap="">I am just glad I do not have to work with people like that, they may
find they can't work with me because I decided to wear a differently
colored shirt for a chance... no shades of gray in your world I guess...
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How many shades of grey do you have in your copyright law?<br>
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Sam<br>
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